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10 days. Can they get him for lying to Congress?

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Probably... if they wanted. But then you'd have to prove he intentionally took them rather than inadvertant and it'd be a mess.

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and poof goes the Hall of Fame possibility for Raffy

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This is getting lots of play hereabouts. It's a very interesting development, coming so soon after 3,000 hits and the congressional testimony.

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And there goes that Viagra endorsement.

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Probably... if they wanted. But then you'd have to prove he intentionally took them rather than inadvertant and it'd be a mess.


Actually you'd have to prove that he knew he had taken them, and that it occured before the hearing.


It really depends primarily on the date of the test - if the test was pre-hearing, or post. It is presumably post-hearing, but it was long before now (the announcement came after an arbitrator ruled that the player, i.e. Palmeiro, did not have enough proof that he didn't knowingly or negligibly take steriods; the suspension was secretly enforced a while ago - but not announced (yet) how long ago.) He probably was told about it immediately after the test, or close to the date of the test at least.

However, the House is unlikely to prosecute one of their staunchest allies in the public fight against steriod use. They'll simply write this off as an 'accident' and he'll say a few things about how he's appalled that his supplement contained such things, that his doctor didn't do his job or something, that rules should be in place to prevent future mistakes by others, and it'll be all over ...

Too bad he only gets 10 days. I'd like to see half season suspensions to start with, even for 'accidental' users. You're payed $X million a year and can't take the time to ask your doctor to check your supplements?

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And there goes that Viagra endorsement.


Why? One would think that Viagra would court the roidheads. Maybe not too openly though.

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He'll still make the Hall of Fame....eventually. I don't think he was a first balleter before this scandal but his numbers are good enough to get him in on the second or third round and the steroids stigma won't bother that many of the voters.

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It will be interesting to see the vote counts in 5 years or so.

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He'll still make the Hall of Fame....eventually.


Ditto.

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10 days, that's ridiculous.

2 year suspension for first time offense, suspension for life on second offense is how it should be.

Of course this is presuming we are serious about wanting to get rid of performance enhancers in sports...

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He goes on Suspension on a Monday

The last day to switch players on our rosters is Sunday

I lose him for the entire week

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yup. 10 days should really be 10 games, at a minimum. I like the Bud Selig 50 games, year, lifetime ban proposal much more than the current wrist slap.

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Btw, for all the faux outrage over steroids by Congress and the "fans", attendance this year is looking pretty healthy.

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Btw, for all the faux outrage over steroids by Congress and the "fans", attendance this year is looking pretty healthy.


not too difficult when Montreal is swapped with DC, even if the nationals are mediocre.

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The entire national league is mediocre.

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The entire American League is more mediocre (if we remember Guy's thread about the AL).

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Yeah, the AL isn't anything to write home about. Both leagues seem pretty similar in 2-3 good to great teams, a whole lot of mediocre ones, and 1-2 god awful teams (with the AL having more of the awful ones).

the abomination that is the NL West is something to behold, however.

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While he didn't deny testing positive for the drugs, he insisted that ingesting them was an accident.

"When I testified in front of Congress, I know that I was testifying under oath and I told the truth," he said during a telephone conference call Monday. "Today I am telling the truth again that I did not do this intentionally or knowingly."





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Why? One would think that Viagra would court the roidheads. Maybe not too openly though.


I am using steroids for 20 years, and I can still get it up. Thanks, Viagra!

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Wimpy US sports administrators.

Wouldn't it be nice for a sportsman to just once say yes I was using perfomance enhancing drugs and I've been caught.

This took it inadvertently rubbish is getting beyond a joke

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RUmor has it that the failed test was in April - 1 month after the Congressional testimony. If you read between the lines it is pretty clear that he is blaming some nutritional supplement that his trainer gave him that had steroids or steroid precursors in it that they didn't know about. This is just ridiculous. Steroid precursors just don't happen by accident. They are very carefully crafted and put intentionally into these supplements. That is the whole point behind buying and using supplements. As BALCO has proved to everyone, the supplement business is extermely sophisticated and they know exactly what they are doing.

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The funny thing is that Canseco is now defending him saying he doesn't believe RP is taking them now since it would be stupid. Canseco is saying it's some type of conspiracy by major league baseball to make a scapegoat out RP.

Hmmmm, it's getting hard to sort out all the stupidity.

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and the article....

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What a difference 4 1/2 months make. Rafael Palmeiro was seething when Jose Canseco named him in his book. Now, Palmeiro's former teammate is coming to his defense.

Appearing Monday on Sporting News Radio, Canseco said that Palmeiro is being used as a scapegoat by Major League Baseball and suggested the league did something untoward with Palmeiro's sample.

"I definitely do not believe that Rafael is using steroids right now. In the past, he has, but not right now," Canseco said. "Obviously, they are picking this time to fight this battle when there is some kind of testing policy involved, and now trying to take out Rafael Palmeiro for what he may have done in the past.

"I would do a major, major investigation on his urinalysis sample--if it was missing for any period of time--and I'd keep a strong eye on Major League Baseball and the players' association, especially on their leaders."

In his book Canseco claims that he introduced Palmeiro to steroids after being traded from the Athletics to the Rangers in 1992.

In his first five seasons full seasons in the major leagues (1988-92), Palmeiro averaged just under 16 home runs a season. After Canseco's alleged introduction of steroids to the player, Palmeiro had career highs in home runs (37) and runs batted in (105) in 1993.

"I think people are now realizing, or starting to realize, that every word, more or less, I said in the book is the absolute truth," Canseco said to the station. "Now, do I believe right now Rafael Palmeiro is dumb enough or gone crazy enough to use steroids? Absolutely not. There's no ifs or buts about it, especially when Congress is going to keep a very sharp eye on these athletes."

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I heard on SportsCenter that he was blaming taking supplements from another player in the clubhouse. Now, we know there is somewhat of a family atmosphere in the clubhouse, and you don't want to piss off someone by refusing their supplements for fear of steroids. But, you wonder... is the teammate who is rumored none other than Sammy Sosa?

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Well, a lot of people thought Ryne Sandberg's speech was about Sosa.

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What did Sandberg say? And did we prove that Ryno wasn't on the juice either?

Btw, breaking news, Seattle Pitcher Ryan Franklin was found violating the steroids policy and is suspended for 10 days. The 2nd pitcher, IIRC, and it seems wierd that people are STILL looking past the pitchers' use of steroids.

 
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