02-08-2005 11:29									#1
	No Civilization on Wikipedia.com? Put an end to popups!

Found a link to Zak Mckracken on wikipedia.com, was surprised that game was even on there..

so I searched for Civilization, surely... that game would be there... but to my surprise, it isn't, or at least I can't find it.

Why is it not there? Some people need to get together and write up about the game Civilization.. and quick!

	02-08-2005 11:31									#2
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Oh! Phew! Nevermind, it is there. Simply typing Civilization in the search doesn't work. (it's not even at the bottom).

I typed Sid Meier and found many options

	02-08-2005 12:35									#3
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Yet you didn't even link.

	02-08-2005 12:41									#4
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier%27s_Civilization

	02-08-2005 12:44									#5
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oh wow, civilization on the Amiga. I wish I had a computer in those days. But I was in the navy.

It's funny how they say they took advantage of the superior graphics. I've always heard the commodore's had better graphics and sounds than the PC's.(of the same time period) Is that true? I remember having a commdore 64 back in the 80's.

	02-08-2005 19:10									#6
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Generally yes, though not in the case of Civilization. The original Amiga version used 32 colours (the maximum practical amount for the early chipsets) and looked horrible, while the PC version supported up to 256 colours (and down to 2!). An updated version for the later Amiga chipsets was eventually released, and looked identical to the PC version.

When the first Amigas came out in 1985, they had by far the best graphics and sound capabilities of any home computer. However, there was essentially no development of the chipset until 1991, and by then PCs had catched up. With the release of new models in 1992, Amigas were once again on top in technical capabilities, but these were not used too much since most owners still had the older models, and the higher resolutions offered usually required a monitor to look decent, while most people used TVs instead of monitors for their Amigas. After 1994 and the Commodore bankruptcy, there was obviously no further development and PCs surged ahead.

	02-08-2005 22:04									#7
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funny, the SMAC entry is bigger and more detailed than the civ one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier's_Alpha_Centauri

	02-08-2005 22:22									#8
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We are mentioned in the SMAC one.

	02-08-2005 22:46									#9
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apolyton_Civilization_Site

	03-08-2005 01:11									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dis

Wow........so many memories.

* DrSpike feels old.

	03-08-2005 09:51									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Dis

mmmmm... civ (original) ...

I played in 256 colors on the PC (an X86 4.33mhz with 1MB(!) of memory and nearly 20 mb of hard drive space ... those were the days ... )

	04-08-2005 11:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Solver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apolyton_Civilization_Site

interesting. They have everything on wikipedia. Except one important thing.

I need to do an entry on Dis. Obviously a poster of my legendary status needs some explaining to those few misfortunates who have not heard of my exploits.

I'm really curious who made that entry. They mentioned off topic (though without mentioning the ultimate poster: Dis ), and other games and the forums games within. They obviously know the site fairly well.

	04-08-2005 11:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Alex funny, the SMAC entry is bigger and more detailed than the civ one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier's_Alpha_Centauri

Heh, I followed the link to the SMACX entry and skimming pver it I noticed that in the Ursupers entry it was claimed Ursupers may use any social engineering. However since I've played Ursupers I know they can't use Democratic, checking the faction file confirmed this but it's omitted from the datalink info entry. The things that can go unnoticed for years and years... anyway I updated the Wiki entry.

	04-08-2005 14:28									#15
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I find it rather ridiculious to describe a game in such detail on something like wikipedia.

Same for Apolyton on wikipedia, a short desciption and a link should do.

	04-08-2005 19:54									#16
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Why NOT have details if you can?

	04-08-2005 20:26									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tau Ceti ........ An updated version for the later Amiga chipsets was eventually released, and looked identical to the PC version. edit....

I played Civ at home on my A1200, the AGA version of civilisation, and i disagree that it looked exactly like the origonal PC version. I played the PC version(an IBM 286!) at work.....well what else was i to do when i'd finished updating the database The Amiga was nicer looking.

Same for the origonal Pirates!(Gold) and UFO Xcom games - both of these were graphicaly better on the AGA amiga's. AmigaAGA Xcom is to my mind the best looking of the Xcoms to this date. I still dig out my amiga to play it - its much higher res than the PC version.

Still PC's became king - and the Amiga's+Atari's died. lets hope console gaming doesn't succeed in killing of PC gaming

	04-08-2005 20:30									#18
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here's PC(DOS) Civ title screen

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	04-08-2005 20:31									#19
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here's Amiga(looks AGA to me) title screen:

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	05-08-2005 13:14									#20
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Ooh... it is 11 or so years since I last played these, but I think that Amiga screenshot is from the OCS/ECS version - I am fairly certain the AGA version had a metallic-looking title like the PC screenshot above.

I too played all versions (PC VGA/MCGA 256 colour, Amiga OCS 32 colour, Amiga AGA 256 colour), though probably with at least two years between the PC and AGA versions. So I could be wrong, but since both versions use the same resolution and same number of colours I would be surprised if they are not basically identical.

Then again, it hardly looks pretty on any system.

I would agree with you that in general, Amiga graphics looked better than PC graphics until the advent of SVGA. In the case of games originally made for the Amiga - rather than ported from the PC - this usually applies even when the Amiga version is limited to 32 colours. Lots of fancy tricks are available if you know how to program for it...

	08-08-2005 16:30									#21
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your right about that being the non-aga title version - the PC and A1200 version are exactly the same(i loaded them up last weekend ). Still the main difference is that on a TV screen the Amiga version of Civ looks better - i suspect purely down to the TV 'smoothing' things out with its poorer display capabilities over a monitor.

But yes the amiga did beat the PC(graphicaly) hands down untill the advent of SVGA. By that time the PC was so much faster than the amiga, and had more memmory - the Amiga's+AtariST's were doomed.

Still Xcom(UFO defense/enemy unknown) on the A1200 - is still to this day one of the best looking+ best overall strat games you can play

	08-08-2005 23:09									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Tau Ceti Ooh... it is 11 or so years since I last played these, but I think that Amiga screenshot is from the OCS/ECS version - I am fairly certain the AGA version had a metallic-looking title like the PC screenshot above.

With that amount of geek knowledge you should join the Name the Game thread.

	09-08-2005 03:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Found a link to Zak Mckracken on wikipedia.com, was surprised that game was even on there..

Wikipedia.com?!?! Trying to take over Wikipedia with capitalism? It's .ORG, not .COM. Yeah, not critical but still, gives more of a community touch to the whole nobel cause.

	09-08-2005 03:23									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Solver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apolyton_Civilization_Site

Fart, you're so modest. Didn't even link to the articles you've been working on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_IV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili...:_Call_To_Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_to_Power_II

	09-08-2005 03:39									#25
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* snoopy369 has been playing Civ 1 all day ... mmmmm

Plays well in DosBox btw, including sound.

	09-08-2005 05:39									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Fart, you're so modest. Didn't even link to the articles you've been working on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_IV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili...:_Call_To_Power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_to_Power_II

Ahh yes . I had quite forggoten that I wrote the CtP2 article.

	09-08-2005 09:44									#27
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quote: I'm really curious who made that entry. They mentioned off topic (though without mentioning the ultimate poster: Dis ), and other games and the forums games within. They obviously know the site fairly well.

hmm... It seems someone called "FirstCultural" made some edits on it... Smiley at work, perhaps?

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It certainly is a good entry... not even CivFanatics has an entry on the site... And there only seems to be about 200 sites listed.

Good work Apolyton!

~DC.