03-08-2005 02:00									#1
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How will the diplomacy be in Civ 4? I am thinking about trade embargos, alliances etc etc. Will it be more complex and better than in the last version? For example, will the AI opponent realize when he has no chance of winning? When he has nearly lost, will he perhaps be more reasonable and not reply with arrogant threats?

	03-08-2005 02:17									#2
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quote: How will the diplomacy be in Civ 4?

So far, very little - official - information is known about the diplomacy part.

	03-08-2005 02:48									#3
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: How will the diplomacy be in Civ 4? So far, very little - official - information is known about the diplomacy part.

And this starts to worry me a lot. We may end up with the same dumb diplomacy of Civ3...

	03-08-2005 03:07									#4
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Why? Just because we don't get to know much yet doesn't mean it's not good. For all we know, it might be an ace they are keeping for later use/hype.

	03-08-2005 03:33									#5
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Diplomacy is the cornerstone of the game , Its where the AI meets the human player head to head in a sense.
Also shows how smart the AI is
But this is a area where much modding has been done in civilization games like CtP2 and Civ3. So whatever tweaking if any is needed we have many here who will be able to make changes

	03-08-2005 04:18									#6
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My money is on that diplomacy will be largely the same, except with a few tweaks and changes.

	03-08-2005 04:35									#7
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I too maintain the same thought as Lord Nuclear concerning the Civ IV AI - hopefully, the few new tweaks/changes will at least improve the AI's overall behavior during diplomacy situations...

	03-08-2005 05:30									#8
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I read on the Firaxis site, in an interview there, that they you will be able to "broker" peace between 2 warring civs...or, get a civ to declare war on someone else even if you aren't at war with them. I know it's not much insight, but it's a start!

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quote: Originally posted by eagle32a I read on the Firaxis site, in an interview there, that they you will be able to "broker" peace between 2 warring civs...or, get a civ to declare war on someone else even if you aren't at war with them. I know it's not much insight, but it's a start!

Yes, I remember that. I read it too.
A great start!

	03-08-2005 12:20									#10
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That is a good point and-given that the brokering of peace between two nations was in SMAC, it gave me some hope that other features of SMAC diplomacy would make their way into Civ4-including ability to base units in allied cities, forts and airfields; Protectorate/Vasselage agreements; Unit Trades. I also hope and pray that embargoes will actually mean something in Civ4, and that you can ask for-or give- a resource in trade, even if the other person already has it, but this would require a better modelling of resources and their use. I do believe, though, that religion, civics and AI personalities will all help to improve diplomacy to some degree-the only question is: HOW MUCH??
Anyway, fingers crossed!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

	03-08-2005 15:13									#11
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quote: Originally posted by eagle32a get a civ to declare war on someone else even if you aren't at war with them. I know it's not much insight, but it's a start!

you have never done that?

The few times I realy get a xtra kick out of the game.

Usually a tech they realy need does the trick

	03-08-2005 15:52									#12
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From that screenie what I saw (that diplomacy one) I think I know what the diplomacy will be like.

If you'd like to know, get SMACX (Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri and the Alien Crossfire expansion pack) and try.

	03-08-2005 16:49									#13
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SMAC is a great game, but SMAX actually ruined the fun for me, despite it having a few good improvements...

	03-08-2005 17:40									#14
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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker That is a good point and-given that the brokering of peace between two nations was in SMAC, it gave me some hope that other features of SMAC diplomacy would make their way into Civ4-including ability to base units in allied cities, forts and airfields; Protectorate/Vasselage agreements; Unit Trades. [/I]

Yes, I think we can't have really more than a few SMAC concept added and (hopefully) enough well managed by AI.

I can't believe in a Firaxis keeping a real ace hidden, at this point.
Hype is already spent to gain signatures on distribution / reselling contract.

IMHO they are keeping some game details secret because they must be forced to cut it later for bugs or unbalancing game logic.

	03-08-2005 17:43									#15
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The best diplomatic enhancement would be the UN. SMAC-style, not that poor excuse we had in Civ3. It's not the same face-to-face diplomacy, but the SMAC UN was one of the most fun things in it.

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quote: Originally posted by Solver The best diplomatic enhancement would be the UN. SMAC-style, not that poor excuse we had in Civ3. It's not the same face-to-face diplomacy, but the SMAC UN was one of the most fun things in it.

I agree. We need a functional UN.

	03-08-2005 21:25									#17
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Unfortunately, there has been no word of a UN yet . So I'm afraid that hoping for a functional UN with resolutions is just wishful thinking.

	03-08-2005 22:12									#18
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Don't you know that 'Functional' and 'UN' cannot exist in the same universe? If they did, everything that exists would cease to be.

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I think they meaned functional in the way SMAC features it.

	06-08-2005 19:59									#20
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I've watched the video interviewed and read some stuff...apparently, close ally's, or pact brothers, can research the same techs to get them faster...in addition, civs with close relations can try to influence their idealogies...civics...on other civs...

And, civs will go to war against you because of your idealogies, just like SMAC...looks like Vietnam in Civ 4 is a possibility...

	06-08-2005 20:33									#21
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A sort of UN security council and woo the player civ which isn't included in it.

	07-08-2005 01:43									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear I agree. We need a functional UN.

I vote LN for president

lets make the real one jealous

	07-08-2005 03:26									#23
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Isn't the head of UN called a Secretary-General?