08-08-2005 18:12									#91
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I think that's Molly 1 - 0 Provost

If he's just going to copy-and-paste Google links and then waffle on about how he has seen this and that, then I just can't be arsed. I can't help not being a ponce...

	09-08-2005 15:21									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison If he's just going to copy-and-paste Google links and then waffle on about how he has seen this and that, then I just can't be arsed. I can't help not being a ponce...

But you can help being uncharacteristically ignorant.
Time for change, as the Oxfam slogan used to say.


Seems you can't be arsed to be polite or engage in constructive informed debate, or address your lack of knowledge of how the planning system works, or what the role of English Heritage is, or the dangers inherent in a deregulated zone, such as London Docklands- a plethora of uninspired buildings erected on the quick profit principal and without proper public consultation.


So far you've misrepresented me twice- either supposedly I'm a Prince Charles reactionary or a google haunting trendoid, neither of which is true.


Since you can't be bothered to address my arguments (or me politely) neither can I.


Oh, and drop the

quote: ponce...

stuff.

It really isn't working and just makes you look like a less educated version of Catherine Tate's schoolgirl character.

	09-08-2005 15:29									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison

Dear me- repeating yourself too.


Not very inspired are you, if a sleep smiley is the best you can come up with when Potty Mouth Lexicon hasn't opened yet ?


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	09-08-2005 15:30									#95
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Found Google again Molly?

	09-08-2005 15:36									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Found Google again Molly?

Oh dear. It's an iconic 20th Century public building. What did you expect me to do, draw it from memory ? Send you the blueprints by post ?


Note- I'm just posting a picture of a building I like, from a website I already know.

Even using internet search engines you couldn't find out that English Heritage has more than one function and supports the preservation of modern buildings.



How terribly sad when you resort to such obvious tricks in lieu of argument.

	09-08-2005 15:38									#97
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I just posted that I didn't agree with you. Some of these buildings are actually quite pleasant as opposed to that ghastly Trellick Tower mind you...

	09-08-2005 15:42									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I just posted that I didn't agree with you.

No, you didn't- or does your memory need refreshing ?

quote: I can't help not being a ponce...

amongst others.

If that's you just disagreeing with me, seems all those Oxbridge tutorials were a waste of time, then.


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	09-08-2005 15:48									#99
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Well if you completely lack a sense of humour in the first place for an innocent comment about Wedgwood cladding well...

And why the Googlebombing?

Oh, and

	09-08-2005 15:56									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well if you completely lack a sense of humour in the first place for an innocent comment about Wedgwood cladding well... And why the Googlebombing? Oh, and

Oh, give it a rest. I already told you- the playground repartee doesn't irk me, as much as the misrepresentation- which you're now doing with the 'Googlebombing' crap.


How come if it's so easy to support your arguments by doing a quick google search, you couldn't work out English Heritage was more than an architectural old folks' home ?

Is your google bamboozled ?

Where do you get your pictures from ? The ether, I suppose....


Take a running jump...

	09-08-2005 16:00									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison

Clearly uninspired today aren't you ?


Not like this man...

	09-08-2005 17:09									#103
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That building is hideous, burn it.

	09-08-2005 17:10									#104
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It looks like an observatory on viagra

	09-08-2005 17:20									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos That building is hideous, burn it.

Unlikely, given the materials used in its construction.

http://www.c20society.org.uk/docs/b...g/einstein.html

quote: The Einstein Tower unites a domed observatory with an underground laboratory, while housing an unusual optical instrument, an unmovable vertically installed telescope. The requirements for accommodating the delicate optical instruments and other scientific apparatus determined the general elevation and ground plan of the building. Mendelsohn's task was to design only an appropriate shell for the technical equipment. For the young and unknown architect this was the first opportunity to realise his own architectural ideas. From the beginning he strongly believed in the potential of reinforced concrete to become the building material of a new artistic expression. Having the capacity to overcome the traditional limits of support and load, this building material offered a new, previously unknown freedom in architectural design.

Old and new:

	09-08-2005 17:39									#106
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Vorsprung durch technik:

quote: These large, looming discs, which locals fondly call "concrete ears" but which are perhaps better known as sound mirrors, sit facing out to sea at Greatstone, Kent. In a perilous condition, following years of gravel extraction which has led to them lilting further towards collapse into a yawning watery grave before them, at last they have been saved. Repair work is due to be finished this month. English Heritage has become the knight in shining armour, ensuring a fairytale ending by contributing a whopping £500,000 to the rescue kitty. A new fund, the Aggregates Levy Sustainability Fund (ALSF) is currently being piloted by English Heritage. It’s a tax on the extraction of aggregates which is used to bring about environmental benefits that mitigate the damage such extraction can cause. The ALSF is intended to reduce this damage by improving areas where extraction has taken place, as in this case, as well as helping to reduce demand for aggregates through the promotion of recycling and re-use and research into new methods of extraction.

http://www.c20society.org.uk/docs/building/sound.html

War and peace:

	09-08-2005 17:45									#107
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I like the observatory.

	09-08-2005 17:49									#108
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quote: Unlikely, given the materials used in its construction.

Fine, TNT is more fun anyways...

	10-08-2005 03:11									#109
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I think it's a pretty cool building...just isn't a skyscraper is it, like the thread title suggests

	10-08-2005 15:03									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I think it's a pretty cool building...just isn't a skyscraper is it, like the thread title suggests

No indeed it isn't, thankfully. So far London has been lucky (for the most part) to have avoided this current trend for seeing which city can have the largest architecturally undistinguished penis substitute in the world. So far...

It still is a largely horizontal city, best appreciated from the ground and not a window cleaner's harness or a hang glider in Shropshire.


Smithfield:

	10-08-2005 15:17									#111
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Small can be beautiful and refreshing...


Pure Pinter for now people! :

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	10-08-2005 15:25									#112
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http://www.pullmancourt.org.uk/


Pullman Court, Streatham:

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	10-08-2005 16:21									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Skyscrappers f*cking rule!

Phallic obsession.

	11-08-2005 04:43									#114
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom No indeed it isn't, thankfully. So far London has been lucky (for the most part) to have avoided this current trend for seeing which city can have the largest architecturally undistinguished penis substitute in the world. So far... It still is a largely horizontal city, best appreciated from the ground and not a window cleaner's harness or a hang glider in Shropshire. Smithfield:

Are you saying that Minneapolis would be immediately more beautiful if all the floors above, say the 10th, were lopped off?

I find your apparent insistance that the key to beauty is that all structures be below a certain height a bit baffling.

	11-08-2005 04:49									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Phallic obsession.

He is gay.

	11-08-2005 12:47									#116
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	11-08-2005 15:19									#117
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Arcologies

	11-08-2005 15:33									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Are you saying that Minneapolis would be immediately more beautiful if all the floors above, say the 10th, were lopped off? I find your apparent insistance that the key to beauty is that all structures be below a certain height a bit baffling.

Minneapolis might be immediately more beautiful if say, it were covered in a large set of drapes- I wouldn't know. I've never been to Minneapolis.

As for the latter part of your statement, it entirely misrepresents what I've said.

I have not said that the key to beauty (which is a personal thing, as we've seen from the divergent opinions about the Einstein Observatory in Potsdam whose picture I posted) is subterranean dwellings or low-rise buildings.


What I have pointed out is that London was until recent times, a city that was without particularly tall buildings- certainly buildings as tall as the largest American skyscrapers, whether in Chicago or New York. And this has nothing to do with 'modernity' because many landmark buildings of the modern movement aren't skyscrapers.

I have said that the removal or relaxation of planning regulations and ignoring or bypassing public consultation in a specific area of London (the London Docklands Development Zone) resulted in a building free-for-all, which also had a knock-on effect in the City Of London, when businesses sited there relocated to buildings in Docklands which were being offered at absurdly low prices per square foot of office space because no one had wanted to work there before there was a decent transport infrastructure in place.

	11-08-2005 15:46									#119
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Skyscrapers dammit!

	11-08-2005 15:50									#120
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Well molly, your view is going to get a whole lot worse if this prediction of what Docklands will look like in 2008 is anything to go by

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