04-08-2005 07:59									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Verto That's like saying "wake me when there's a decent movie on DVD thats not also on a VHS." A 299$ console will provide you the level of gaming as far as graphics, multiplayer, features go that can only be attained by a 1000$+ PC.

did you not see the second part which I added later (but is included in your quote).

This analogy doesn't work unless you include that there are movies on VHS that aren't available on DVD.

	04-08-2005 08:01									#32
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As I've said before, we'll soon see any game worth getting made available for console, especially with the advent of BlueTooth/wireless keyboards and mice.

	04-08-2005 08:06									#33
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wake me when civ3, smac, civ4, neverwinter nights are available for consoles. I'll gladly buy one. I have no real prejudice against them. I owned a sega genesis back in the early 90's before I owned a PC. I was in the navy, and a small console maked more sense than a hefty computer. But I found I didn't care for that many sega genesis games. The sports games were the only good ones, and they become boring after a while.

	04-08-2005 08:26									#34
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http://www.melonsoft.com/products/cabrio/

You could install

The Developer Tools + X11 + X11 SDK+ Fink + Fink Commander

and try out XMMS.

http://www.automatorworld.com/2005/...ie-full-screen/

This will be updated soon

http://doublecommand.sourceforge.net/

	04-08-2005 22:43									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Verto A 299$ console will provide you the level of gaming as far as graphics, multiplayer, features go that can only be attained by a 1000$+ PC.

That $299 console will also not provide:
Internet browsing access
Cavernous storage space
Multitasking abilities while doing multimedia playback and gaming
Work-related items, such as programming, word processing
The actual use of a keyboard and mouse.

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Sn00py, if you could find the name of that program, I'd greatly appreciate it.

	04-08-2005 22:45									#36
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Ag:

I'm already familiar with XMMS. It is, after all, an OSS program that's used in Linux. If I were going to go that route, I'd've gone with Beep, anyway. I do have x11 installed, but I was hoping for a mac-native solution.

Automator World, on the other hand, looks promising. Lots of little applets I see...

And I think DoubleCommand is what I'm looking for to fix the stupid mac keyboard layout/behavior.

	04-08-2005 22:46									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed That $299 console will also not provide: Internet browsing access Cavernous storage space

Neither will a $299 PC.

quote: Multitasking abilities while doing multimedia playback and gaming Work-related items, such as programming, word processing The actual use of a keyboard and mouse. === Sn00py, if you could find the name of that program, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Depends...the PS3 HD is coming with Linux preinstalled on it.

	04-08-2005 22:47									#38
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I'll give Cabrio a shot, too.

	04-08-2005 22:55									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Will Civ 4 come out on the Xbox 360 or PS3? No? I'll stick with the PC then, thanks.

When you become disappointed with CIV4's severely unbalanced gameplay and ridiculous bugs, will you be ready to purchase a console? Seriously though, after Firaxis' performance in the development and support of Civ3, how can you have any confidence that your Civ4 experience will be anything less than completely frustrating?

	04-08-2005 23:20									#40
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Hm... Cabrio seems to have a few bugs in it-- I don't think it likes Tiger.

Hope it'll be fixed by the time Liger comes out in 2006.

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As far as consoles v. pcs... I've been, and will always be, a PC gamer at heart. All the games I generally play on the PC can't be converted over well. Strategy games, for instance, or MMORPGs and FPSs which require a keyboard and mouse for the best control--I just can't deal with how limiting game controllers are.

Until now, I've only used consoles for: Tetris; Squeenix games; Strategy RPGs, and other RPGs, non-multiplayer.

And for the forseeable future, that's how it's going to stay.

	04-08-2005 23:28									#41
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* Q Cubed cries

DoubleCommand seemed so promising, but for now, it doesn't work in Tiger.

So... Tiger's broken some programs I could have used: Cabrio, DoubleCommand, and until recently, VLC. le Sigh... Even XP SP1 and SP2 betas didn't break apps for me...

	04-08-2005 23:31									#42
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Tiger has royally screwed up Macs in corporate networks too, due to network incompatibilities.

The reason Apple can churn out updates so quickly is they don't need to do much testing on them.

	05-08-2005 02:18									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed That $299 console will also not provide: Internet browsing access Cavernous storage space Multitasking abilities while doing multimedia playback and gaming Work-related items, such as programming, word processing The actual use of a keyboard and mouse. === Sn00py, if you could find the name of that program, I'd greatly appreciate it.

you forgot porn

	05-08-2005 02:19									#44
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 When you become disappointed with CIV4's severely unbalanced gameplay and ridiculous bugs, will you be ready to purchase a console? Seriously though, after Firaxis' performance in the development and support of Civ3, how can you have any confidence that your Civ4 experience will be anything less than completely frustrating?

civ3 was a fun game. I'm playing the middle age scenario now. Well not right now, but I was playing it last night until 6:00 in the morning.

	05-08-2005 02:21									#45
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Try the Camino Alphas

	05-08-2005 02:30									#46
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Lighter than Safari and quicker

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This has been downloaded 30 time(s).

	05-08-2005 02:43									#47
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quote: wake me when there's a decent game on a console (that's not also on a PC)

Halo 2?

	05-08-2005 02:47									#48
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Consoles are good in the same way that the home computers of the 80s were good. They were standardized and developers had to work to the limitations of the computer. With too many PC games you don't get decent performance unless you turn off the eye candy. With a console game you are pretty much guaranteed acceptable performance.

Moreover, over the life of a console developers work out ways of getting more out of the same hardware. This is like the 80s too. One need only compare the games for the Spectrum that came out in 82 with those that came out in 88.

	05-08-2005 03:03									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: wake me when there's a decent game on a console (that's not also on a PC) Halo 2?

pointless FPS

	05-08-2005 03:38									#50
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If you are going to limit "decent game" to niche catagories, of course you can make whatever fit your statement (which ever way it goes).

	05-08-2005 03:52									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Verto A 299$ console will provide you the level of gaming as far as graphics, multiplayer, features go that can only be attained by a 1000$+ PC.

Graphics - granted.
Multiplayer - networking is much more robust and versatile with PCs.
Features - err... hard drive, mouse, upgradability, versatility

	05-08-2005 04:44									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Graphics - granted. Multiplayer - networking is much more robust and versatile with PCs. Features - err... hard drive, mouse, upgradability, versatility

That depends on your definition of networking - setting up a LAN? Just as easy with an Xbox as with a PC. Furthermore, Xbox Live is able to provide a far better gaming environment than regular PC online play by limiting it to broadband only, and providing a more regulated environment. All in all, that 5 bucks a month is well worth it IMO.

quote: That $299 console will also not provide: Internet browsing access Cavernous storage space

So buy a separate computer, a decent one for maybe 400 bucks or so, and you are will a couple hundred dollars short from that gaming PC you would have bought for 1000 dollars and had to wait a year for new PC games that would realize even half of its potential.

Consoles are weak right now in RTS/TBS games, and not much else. RPGs like Morrowind, Baldur's Gate and Final Fantasy have already made appearances, and as you can see from the photos of Xbox360 keyboard/controllers, they will become much more accessible.

I would much rather have a PC I can dedicate to the Internet, Office, chat etc, and a seperate console for gaming, etc. Who would take a 20'' monitor over a TV screen that is probably at less 7'' larger?

	05-08-2005 06:33									#53
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Baldur's Gage? Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance doesn't count as Baldur's Gate.

And my tv screen is the only 1" larger than my computer monitor.

Console games simply are not designed for the "serious" gamer. They are dumbed down versions. The only exception being Morrowind and KOTOR.

	05-08-2005 06:41									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Dis Baldur's Gage? Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance doesn't count as Baldur's Gate. And my tv screen is the only 1" larger than my computer monitor. Console games simply are not designed for the "serious" gamer. They are dumbed down versions. The only exception being Morrowind and KOTOR.

Why doesn't it count as Baldur's Gate?

Your TV screen sucks then.

If by serious gamer you mean old men who like to play 10 year old RTS and old RPGs, then perhaps you are right.

	05-08-2005 07:07									#55
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That's not what he means.

He means those who know whats good and whats just a money making scheme for the countless suckers out there.

	05-08-2005 07:09									#56
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If by "whats" good you mean no game other than Civilization 2, Neverwinter Nights and Thief, you are probably right.