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Yeah, training, along with a load of other "enhanced" features, is too in-depth to be any real fun once you know what to do, all this extra depth does it create more clicks.
I grabbed this training thing from some site linked from SI forums while i still played, heres a link so it doesnt fudge the forum width:
http://www.turningjapanese.pwp.blue...uk/training.jpg
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Maquiladora
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Hope so. I havent played CM properly in a long time, too much detail that just bores away time once youre used to it all.
BTW Winning Eleven 9 is out tomorrow i think in Japan (or "online") on PS2 though, have to wait to October for Xbox.
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Maquiladora
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English Licenses will be included for the first time ever. But don't get too excited, only Arsenal and Chelsea are going to be licensed. Other new licenses include those for Rangers, Dynamo Kiev, Galatasaray and FC Porto. 2005/06 kits will be added for the clubs from La Liga and the Dutch Eredivisie. Real numbers and lettering is included for the licensed teams. Updated kits have been added for the unlicensed clubs. |
http://www.we-9.com/
Not a lot but theyll be a load of gameplay and AI tweaks.
Plus you can apply a patch anyway for all the licensed stuff, i have the PESFAn patch on my Xbox.
Video is hardly worth watching on there either.
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child of Thor
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Originally posted by Maquiladora
Yeah, training, along with a load of other "enhanced" features, is too in-depth to be any real fun once you know what to do, all this extra depth does it create more clicks.
I grabbed this training thing from some site linked from SI forums while i still played, heres a link so it doesnt fudge the forum width:
http://www.turningjapanese.pwp.blue...uk/training.jpg |
Cheers Maq - i knew as i wrote my request that you'd get on the case 
I've found over the course of playing LMA Manager2005 through eleven game years, that even as much as i loved the match engine and pure management style of it - it did suffer from not having the depth of stats that games like FM2005 have.
Also i'm pretty much the dominant force in world club football(sadly no option to manage national teams), my once lowly conferance team is now cleaning up in ALL compitions for the last two seasons, so i guess i've beaten the game 
Still i was playing for over six months(real life time), and it was a fun journey - i just need more challange 
But as you say FM2005 has so much clicking to do when you want to delve deeper into the game - it is very daunting.
I might have to bite the bullet and sign-up to the FM2005 forums i guess, they seems the best place to get the detailed answers i'm going to need.
Still as a note of interest i'm playing this game on slightly under the minimum req(a PIII 566 128MB - instead of a PIII600 128MB), so have chosen just seven leagues to simulate accurately, the complete English leagues from conference north+south up and the welsh premier league(kinda a grand title for what it is  ).
I'm playing Newport County in the Conferance south and my aim is to reach the premiership! So understanding how training works is going to be important, especialy as i like to home-grow my talent.
Cheers again - looking at that download i can already see a cunning plan forming 
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Maquiladora
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I left them on the same training all season, except in pre-season, definitely doesnt mean this is the best way of course, i just couldnt be bothered to micromanage it, but also not put it into the hands of my assistant.
"Youth", "GK", "DF", "DMF", "AMF", and "FW" were all the seperate training regimes I had, and then "pre-season". I think youll know what they all stand for. And something like no more than 2 regimes per coach. Of course i was playing as Spurs so i probably had more coaches to spread aorund.
I had a quick scan over the forum a while ago, seems like the mental stats have become really important in the latest patch. I remember initially physical stats were the most important.
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child of Thor
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Originally posted by Maquiladora
I left them on the same training all season, except in pre-season, definitely doesnt mean this is the best way of course, i just couldnt be bothered to micromanage it, but also not put it into the hands of my assistant.
"Youth", "GK", "DF", "DMF", "AMF", and "FW" were all the seperate training regimes I had, and then "pre-season". I think youll know what they all stand for. And something like no more than 2 regimes per coach. Of course i was playing as Spurs so i probably had more coaches to spread aorund.
I had a quick scan over the forum a while ago, seems like the mental stats have become really important in the latest patch. I remember initially physical stats were the most important. |
Ah that might explain it - i have a decent ammount(and quality) of coaches(4+1 Assistant manager) for Conference south league, but they are all doing 7 regimes each! I see i might need to look at that.
Also my physio is basicaly rated 1 in everything except 'physio' which is 20, and i'm nervous about assigning him any training - just in case his poor stats undo the work of my other coaches. So i leave him un-assigned - will it effect my teams injuries do you think?
On a different topic i did a nasty sneaky cheat thing(the get lots of money from chelsea for rubbish player cheat), which i feel bad about.
The good part is that even though i got £20mill in my clubs accounts - i can do little with it as even cr*p players(but slightly better than my level) don't want to come to Newport.
I got all my new players(seven in total) for the grand sum of 3K, most were free transfers. Still it's nice feeling rich - even if i cant use it yet
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Maquiladora
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Fortunately what CoT is describing only needs to be done once in all the game (maybe tweaked when you get better/more coaches), its the rest of the game that contains some insane MM.
Well this thread broke me down CoT so i might start a game later, gonna try and patch it first. Have you patched to the latest?
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Maquiladora
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Well i started a new game with Conference North outfit Droylsden, theyre crap, but have to say im enjoying the game again.
We started with one coach and a physio, not even an assistant and no transfer fee to spend, although i reckon it makes little difference between spending 0K and 10K signings, you still just cherry pick any rejects from higher clubs.
Im way down the league 15 i think after 30 games but yet i can still make the playoffs, apart from Nuneaton, anyone can beat anyone. Playing an attacking 3-4-3, its getting ripped apart by fast fowards, which doesnt surprise me since i have no DMC's at the club, the defenders keep getting injured and my midfielders are all creative, but i have the second highest goals for in the league at least.
End of this season ill overhaul my squad to something with DMC or three in the team.
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Well i started a new game with Conference North outfit Droylsden, theyre crap, but have to say im enjoying the game again. |
you know you'll have fun turning that bunch of misfits into a worthwhile team what made you pick them to manage? (i chose Newport as they were the lowest placed welsh side with the option to take to the premiership)
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We started with one coach and a physio, not even an assistant and no transfer fee to spend, although i reckon it makes little difference between spending 0K and 10K signings, you still just cherry pick any rejects from higher clubs.
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i found at first it was tricky to find players/coaches to join my setup - then i sussed out using the filters in the 'search' menu, which is a very powerfull feature(better than in the old CM i think), and once i had worked out how to find the free transfers/out of contract people etc, i managed to streangthen my team for the coming season.
I found three very good coaches for free(i sacked my starting Assistant Manager and re-negotiated with one of these new coaches to take over the role) overall i spent around £5000 on 7 new decent personel 
And i'm surprised you've played so many games already!
Maybe its the speed of my pc? Do you use fast results in your matches? - i like to keep things at an even pace so i can watch the match and identify weaknes's.
It usually takes me about 3hrs to just play through about 4 games(with all the messages, checking next opposition and tailoring new tactics etc, dealing with players problems, scouting for a decent bargin on the market etc).
But my PC does grind and help slow the pace down to give me time to do all this, which i find helps me get a better performance out my team in the long run, or seems to?
Anyway good to see your having a go from the dregs of the football league - its a very rewarding way to play(if it goes well )
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you know you'll have fun turning that bunch of misfits into a worthwhile team what made you pick them to manage? (i chose Newport as they were the lowest placed welsh side with the option to take to the premiership) |
Their name just sounded good, and theyre in the Northern league, thats all. Had i known they were relegation favourites i might have chosen another team, but i didnt want to reload.
The board is delighted with my performace anyway, so i must be doing alright.
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i found at first it was tricky to find players/coaches to join my setup - then i sussed out using the filters in the 'search' menu, which is a very powerfull feature(better than in the old CM i think), and once i had worked out how to find the free transfers/out of contract people etc, i managed to streangthen my team for the coming season. |
I found it tricky too. I could only sign (afford) "unknown" unemployed coaches, you take what you can get.
One thing i definitely will change this pre-season, ill be signing and loaning plenty more players, especially DC and DMC. I tried to sign a few at the start but none were having it. I can only offer £400 a week maximum.
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And i'm surprised you've played so many games already!
Maybe its the speed of my pc? Do you use fast results in your matches? - i like to keep things at an even pace so i can watch the match and identify weaknes's. |
Im using 3/4 commentary, 3/4 key highlights most of the time.
Not studying every opponent, just tweaking my tactic each time i concede or let in a really good chance, which is a dodgy way to work, but ive definitely improved my 3-4-3 (terrible choice formation for a non-league team BTW, too complicated). No doubt i couldve been more meticulous but i enjoy more the quick trial and error.
Also theres only so much i can do with tactics, theres just some games youre bound to lose.
Ive patched to 5.0.5, seems to be a lot more bookings and reds, even for fair players. Hate the talking back to referee bookings.
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child of Thor
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Their name just sounded good, and theyre in the Northern league, thats all. Had i known they were relegation favourites i might have chosen another team, but i didnt want to reload. |
Ouch - sounds like you got a tough season/s ahead of you!
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One thing i definitely will change this pre-season, ill be signing and loaning plenty more players, especially DC and DMC. I tried to sign a few at the start but none were having it. I can only offer £400 a week maximum. |
Yep i learn't a little too late about the handy loanings from higher leagues - and i've also learn't to give up on a player who says he doesn't want to come to my club, even when his club are happy to negociate.
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Im using 3/4 commentary, 3/4 key highlights most of the time.
Not studying every opponent, just tweaking my tactic each time i concede or let in a really good chance, which is a dodgy way to work, but ive definitely improved my 3-4-3 (terrible choice formation for a non-league team BTW, too complicated). No doubt i couldve been more meticulous but i enjoy more the quick trial and error.
Also theres only so much i can do with tactics, theres just some games youre bound to lose. |
in game i untick the replay box on goals scored and run the commentary at 2/4 and highlights at 3/4.
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Ive patched to 5.0.5, seems to be a lot more bookings and reds, even for fair players. Hate the talking back to referee bookings. |
Amen to that! i had one game where even after i had selected 'easy' tackling i ended the game with one red and 5 yellow cards. Still i think it is a particular ref, Derik Fox i think his name is - he seems to hate my team and book us out the game 
Still the good news is that after one season under my management, Newport county(the Exiles) are conference south champions and FAW cup holders
My board of directors were seen partying+celebrating with fans outside the grounds! 
Still i'm not confident i have the strength in depth to achieve a promotion next season in the conference, i suspect i might need a season or two of squad building to take the next step up.
And i don't think i've got the hang of press statements yet - i've gone from mystarting 10 rateing in both handling the press+ professionalism to about 7 in each .......so i have pleanty of aspects to work on untill Newport lift the European cup
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child of Thor
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I eventually finished 11th, overhauled my tactics to a custom 4-4-2 five games from the end of season, didnt concede a goal and won 3  |
my startup formation was 4-4-2 - i changed it to an attacking version with emphersis on wind play when i was happy i had strong enough wingers for the job, still even my reserve players seemed to handle it ok.
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I think the trick is, as in real life, to be as dull as possible. Plenty of words whilst saying nothing, that kind of thing. |
ah - thats the problem then, i entered into a slanging match once or twice with a couple of managers. I also made the mistake of 'praiseing' some of my players too much(well i was told i did it too much, if three/four times can be too much?!). I couldn't help it if i had some guys who turned in 10 rated performances fairly often?
After winning £100,000 for the FAW cup, i feel a bit cheap over my £20,000,000 cheat of chelsea. I think i may have to replay the season without it - it might not have done me much good so far, but after i go up a few leagues i'll have too big an advantage. I could just jump ships to another lowly club at some point?
Anyway its a fun game, and i still have to work out the best training regime.
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