05-08-2005 17:05									#31
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro So this Galloway guy is "the left"

This is what he is:

	05-08-2005 17:07									#32
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Galloway is a former UK Labour MP of the 'old-labour' stock. He is now MP for his own Respect Party, which is a sort-of parliamentary wing of the Stop The War Coalition, which is itself an alliance between the Socialist Workers Party and the Muslim Association of Britain - two groups with diametrically opposed objectives.

I didn't say Galloway was 'The Left' - I said he symbolises it - specifically it's position on the middle east.

Molly - I'm aware that Western Governments have themselves used Jihadists - in fact they've used them more often than most people realise as local storm troops in a wider policy.

	05-08-2005 17:13									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus I didn't say Galloway was 'The Left' - I said he symbolises it - specifically it's position on the middle east.

He hardly symbolizes Labour Friends For Israel does he ?


Or the policy of Blair's Labour Party. He is characteristic of one strand of opinion on the Left- as on the Right are the libertarian element in the Tory Party, for instance.

	05-08-2005 17:43									#34
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom He hardly symbolizes Labour Friends For Israel does he ?

No, but then the Labour party itself is often described as not very left wing these days. Most labour MPs are in favour of creating a (second) Palestinian State, and it was Blair's offer of delivering this to them that persuaded them to vote for war in Iraq, believing that the road to Jerusalem went through Baghdad.

quote: Or the policy of Blair's Labour Party. He is characteristic of one strand of opinion on the Left- as on the Right are the libertarian element in the Tory Party, for instance.

OK, I could have been more explicit and referred to Galloway as representing a strand of left-wing thought, however ....

Generally, the Left in Britain do support the PLO, which they originally did for Cold War reasons of supporting '3rd world national liberation struggles'. My view is that the PLO were never fighting for self-determination - that was just a ploy to generate support amongst European leftists. The Arab Nationalist / PLO's aim is the destruction of Israel. Always has been.

Now, in the post-cold war period, there's no excuse for the old "Imperialist Israel" analysis, and IMV the Left (broadly) need to look again at one of their Sacred Cows.

	05-08-2005 20:58									#35
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Galloway is on the left

<------- see ?


ps Excellent posts by joncha.

	05-08-2005 21:41									#36
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	05-08-2005 21:41									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Does anyone else find him to be acting really, really poorly as of late?

How is he any more loathesome than before?

	05-08-2005 21:49									#38
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quote: How is he any more loathesome than before?

Because i've stopped being a pr!ck and liking him.

	05-08-2005 21:53									#39
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quote: Galloway symbolises the Left's Big Mistake in allying itself with militant islamic and arabic forces, on the erroneous belief that the Jihadists are fighting a legitimate ant-imperialist struggle. What the Fundies are actually trying to do is destroy the state of Israel (and presumably its non-muslim inhabitants), and establish Islamic states wherever muslims live. The Left are flirting with the Ring of Power. Having failed to mobilise support in their own consituencies, they think they can exploit the anti-western feelings held by many Muslims to boost their own profile and relevance. What is actually happening is that the Islamists are using the Left to give respectability to a set of political-religious beliefs that are, frankly, directly adjacent to National Socialism.

No, THIS is an excellent post

	05-08-2005 21:58									#40
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Oh, Galway plays the flute beautifully.

Never mind if he's a bit on the loony side, he's The Man With The Golden Flute!!

	05-08-2005 21:59									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Because i've stopped being a pr!ck and liking him.

Any reason in particular?

	05-08-2005 23:34									#42
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Just why does the left HATE America so much?

	06-08-2005 09:08									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus Galloway symbolises the Left's Big Mistake in allying itself with militant islamic and arabic forces, on the erroneous belief that the Jihadists are fighting a legitimate ant-imperialist struggle.

That's news to most lefties I reckon, since they weren't allied to "militant islamic and arabic forces" but rather against the actions of the "coalition of the willing."

	06-08-2005 09:11									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit No, THIS is an excellent post

You like bald assertions it appears...

	06-08-2005 09:38									#45
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Actually, UR, I think Cort Haus is correct in his essestials, if wrong about his reasons. It's not opportunisitc gasping on the part of the Left, but rather the natural impusle to support anti-imperialist struggles. This is an anti-imperialist struggle, to be sure, but it is a reactionary one, and is every bit as much an enemy to the left as it is an enemy to the right.

I would really like to see the Left disengage from the Islamicists. We need to fight our own struggle, not ally with fascists.

	06-08-2005 11:09									#46
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The Islamists are imperialists, thats how major religions became major religions. Not on the merits of their beliefs, but by the power of their weapons.

	06-08-2005 14:54									#47
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to Che and Berzerker's last posts.

	06-08-2005 14:58									#48
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Agreed. It's about time that all Christians and all people linked to this religion of PEACE stand up and unite in order to DESTROY those pesky Muslims and all people linked to their evil religion of DEATH.

	06-08-2005 15:23									#49
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this isnt a left vs right thing. this is a crystal clear differentiation between helping the world against only serving your national interests.

	06-08-2005 15:37									#50
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Greece should concentrate more on her own national interest and INVADE TURKEY.

	06-08-2005 15:41									#51
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quote: this isnt a left vs right thing. this is a crystal clear differentiation between helping the world against only serving your national interests

We're in full agreement on that. Personally, I think that concentrating on your narrow national interests is insane and immoral. That's why we must drive regime change, and the introduction of personal freedoms around the middle east.

	06-08-2005 15:44									#52
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We can't invade Turkey they have cheaper beaches.

	06-08-2005 15:46									#53
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Hmm... invade FYROM

	06-08-2005 15:49									#54
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Now it's summer. People are at the beaches. Maybe in winter.

	06-08-2005 15:50									#55
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North Macedonia and North Epirus should be easy targets, so invade "Fyrom" and "Albania".

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Btw, the Medusae are outta here.

damn annoying Jellyfish bastards. If I ever become emperor of the world, they're sooo dead. They and fruitflies, and mosquitos of course.

	06-08-2005 15:58									#57
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Hey here's a trick!

Go to the beach after the sun has set and it's dark. Go up to your waist. For this to work it has to be very dark. Ok, now put your hands in the water and move them around. You'll see little lights turning on inside the sea! It is the same as those incects (I don't know it in english) that light up? Do it and tell me.

	06-08-2005 16:02									#58
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Echty I like your terminology.

	07-08-2005 06:14									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy Hmm... invade FYROM

	07-08-2005 07:40									#60
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Ecthy

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