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Does anyone else find him to be acting really, really poorly as of late?

During 2003 when he became a somewhat outspoken and (dare I say) mainstream spokesman for the pacifist cause against the backdrop of the Iraq war (we all remember the debates here), I held his opinions in high regard but now he just comes across to me as an apologist for fundamentalist Islam who's out on his own agenda and a complete disgrace and embarrassment to the pacifist concept.

Incidentally, I feel it is a concept that has been vindicated by the last two years, but the sooner that this guy is taken out and shot with an elephant gun, the better.

Any thoughts?

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Any thoughts?

Who the hell is he and why would you care what he thinks?

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I can't stand the man, but he spanked some yanks a while ago.

(Not a dig at yanks, just the amusing nature of political contrasts)

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what's wrong with fundamentalist Islam?

surely there should be freedom of religion.

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what's wrong with fundamentalist Islam?

surely there should be freedom of religion.


Wrong question. What's wrong with some fundamentalist Islamists?

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What's wrong with some fundamentalist Christians?

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Yeah, all those Christian nuts who are wandering into subways and markets throughout the Middle East and blowing people up. Oh wait...

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No, they just have their government bomb them from a safe distance.

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Ah yes, the America as fundamentalist Christian Empire angle.

Who cares about anything when you have such interesting fantasies?

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Hey! We're trading trolls, not strawmen!

Just because the American government is bombing the Islamic menace (thus cutting out the need for Christian fundies to do so themselves), it doesn't mean America is a fundamentalist Christian Empire.

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Surely it's quite simple, fundamentalist Christianity is just as bad as fundamentalist Islam.

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In the sense that there should be freedom to believe in the tooth-fairy; yes. Freedom to force that upon others? Methinks not.

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Terrorism is dreadful, but using military actions in attempts to stomp out terrorism is plain silly.

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what's wrong with fundamentalist Islam?

surely there should be freedom of religion.


Fundamentalist Islam doesn't believe in freedom of religion?

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Does anyone else find him to be acting really, really poorly as of late?


Any thoughts?



Yes. I'm ashamed to say I feel it's a pity he wasn't a passenger on the bus in Bloomsbury, or on one of the Tube carriages, or lived near the families of one of the American Marines killed this week:

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In a speech in the Middle East, Mr Galloway said: "These poor Iraqis - ragged people, with their sandals, with their Kalashnikovs, with the lightest and most basic of weapons - are writing the names of their cities and towns in the stars, with 145 military operations every day, which has made the country ungovernable.

"We don't know who they are, we don't know their names, we never saw their faces, they don't put up photographs of their martyrs, we don't know the names of their leaders."

But he told BBC News he had not called insurgents or the Iraqi resistance martyrs.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4744685.stm


Gloating over or glorifying deaths on either 'side' is repulsive- more so when you aren't prepared to put your own life on the line.

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I'm sure I can scrounge up an elephant gun from one of my closets if you need one Whaleboy.

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I'm sure I can scrounge up an elephant gun from one of my closets if you need one Whaleboy.



He'd be more interested in you exiting your closet, I think.

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I like the galleon in your avatar.



'T'ain't a galleon, nor a cog, nor a man o' war;

'Tis a subneural ad from Call To Power, one of the non-lethal units.

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I was talking to Whaleboy.

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I was talking to Whaleboy.



I was talking to my close friend Mr. Nobody:

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"Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish that man would go away."


Hughes Mearns (1875-1965)


You can't see his posts, but he said the same thing you did.

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Galloway symbolises the Left's Big Mistake in allying itself with militant islamic and arabic forces, on the erroneous belief that the Jihadists are fighting a legitimate ant-imperialist struggle.

What the Fundies are actually trying to do is destroy the state of Israel (and presumably its non-muslim inhabitants), and establish Islamic states wherever muslims live.

The Left are flirting with the Ring of Power. Having failed to mobilise support in their own consituencies, they think they can exploit the anti-western feelings held by many Muslims to boost their own profile and relevance.

What is actually happening is that the Islamists are using the Left to give respectability to a set of political-religious beliefs that are, frankly, directly adjacent to National Socialism.


Galloway told Syrian Television:

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Two of your beautiful daughters are in the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad.

The foreigners are doing to your daughters as they will.

The daughters are crying for help and the Arab world is silent. And some of them are collaborating with the rape of these two beautiful Arab daughters.

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Ah, surrealism.

I like that poem

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Galloway symbolises the Left's Big Mistake in allying itself with militant islamic and arabic forces, on the erroneous belief that the Jihadists are fighting a legitimate ant-imperialist struggle.

What the Fundies are actually trying to do is destroy the state of Israel (and presumably its non-muslim inhabitants), and establish Islamic states wherever muslims live.

The Left are flirting with the Ring of Power. Having failed to mobilise support in their own consituencies, they think they can exploit the anti-western feelings held by many Muslims to boost their own profile and relevance.

What is actually happening is that the Islamists are using the Left to give respectability to a set of political-religious beliefs that are, frankly, directly adjacent to National Socialism.


Galloway told Syrian Television:

quote:


Two of your beautiful daughters are in the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad.

The foreigners are doing to your daughters as they will.

The daughters are crying for help and the Arab world is silent. And some of them are collaborating with the rape of these two beautiful Arab daughters.



So this Galloway guy is "the left"

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He'd be more interested in you exiting your closet, I think.




Unfortunately for him the elephant gun is probably the most exciting thing in my closet.

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So this Galloway guy is "the left"



Of course we know he isn't- but what a great way to smear 'the LEFT' whoever and whatever they are.

Ungorgeous George symbolizes the triumph of self-publicity over credibility. He represents himself- jederman sein eigener Fussball .

Of course:

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Galloway symbolises the Left's Big Mistake in allying itself with militant islamic and arabic forces, on the erroneous belief that the Jihadists are fighting a legitimate ant-imperialist struggle.


this shouldn't go unanswered. One wonders who was allied with whom, or rather which militant Islamist groups when Kabul airport was bombed in a terrorist, oops, freedom fighters' attack:

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Certainly, in the mid-1980s, he was treated as a hero in the west, and met Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. His flawless English and bluff sense of humour proved attractive, and no doubt helped him acquire Stinger missiles from the CIA. Having abandoned the vicious world of post-Soviet Afghan politics, he ran a flourishing import-export business from a house in London during the 1990s. Yet he resented being seen as an American puppet. At first, he fought for the Hezb-I-Islami (Muslim party) of the warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, though he later joined a faction led by Younis Khalis.

Haq is proud of the fact that he ordered the planting of a bomb at Kabul airport in September 1984 that killed 28 people. Many of them were relatives of students preparing to fly to the Soviet Union, while about 15 were reportedly military officers. Haq said the purpose of the bomb was ~{!0~}to warn people not to send their children to the Soviet Union~{!1~}.

Haq also defended the firing of long-range rockets at Kabul that killed thousands of civilians during its fight to overthrow the PDPA.

~{!0~}I have to free my country. My advice to people is not to stay close to the government. If you do, it's your fault. We use poor rockets; we cannot control them. They sometimes miss. I don't care about people who live close to the Soviet Embassy, I feel sorry for them, but what can [I] do?~{!1~}, he said.

Fully aware of his record, PM Margaret Thatcher welcomed Haq to Britain in 1986. At the time, Thatcher was denouncing the Palestine Liberation Organisation and the African National Congress as ~{!0~}terrorists~{!1~}.

The Guardian reported on March 5, 1986 a Downing Street spokesperson saying: ~{!0~}The Afghans don't see themselves as revolutionaries. They're only trying to resist an invader and win back their freedom. The prime minister has a degree of sympathy with the Afghan cause inasmuch as they're trying to rid their country of invaders, which you cannot say of the ANC and PLO.~{!1~}

"Fight on!" exhorted Margaret Thatcher.



http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...n20011001.shtml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterr...,582692,00.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/467/467p19.htm


Our old militant Islamists: good when killing Afghan students and Soviet Russian soldiers.

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By successfully shifting British economic and foreign policy to the right, her governments helped to encourage the spread of democracy.


Airport bombs and Stinger missiles and all.

Ain't no bombs on me, no sir! :

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Yeah, all those Christian nuts who are wandering into subways and markets throughout the Middle East and blowing people up. Oh wait...


...they bomb and destabilize resulting in 25,000 deaths!

 
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