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damn.

An israeli, apparently AWOL from the army, has shot for Israeli arabs on a bus in Northern Israel, in an apparent act of terror. Apparently he was affiliated with Kach, an extremist group founded by the late "rabbi" Meir Kahane.

I repudiate all such acts. This is not about politics. There is no justification for this. This is terrorism, the DELIBERATE destruction of innocent human life. It is a stain upon Judaism. I have no patience for anyone who supports this.

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missiles are delibarete too.

anyway can you stop talking chinese and explain what's mein kabare etc?

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It's their way to oppose Gaza pullout. Now everybody see that some of the settlers are mindless fanatic scum. He had no better way to make Israeli people support Sharon's plan.

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'Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called the incident a reprehensible act by a "bloodthirsty terrorist".

"This terror incident is a deliberate attempt to harm the relations between the citizens of Israel," he said through his office.

"Terror between civilians is the most dangerous thing for the future of Israel and its democratic stability'

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Find his family and bulldoze their house.

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Find his family and bulldoze their house.


maybe bulldoze the whole settlement (tapuah, which im told is known as a hotbed of craziness)

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Already done, sorta...

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Israel soldier lynched after killing four in Gaza pullout row


A teenage Israeli soldier shot dead four people in a blazing row over the country's imminent withdrawal from Gaza before being lynched by furious residents of an Arab-Israeli town.

The shooting, the first deadly incident connected to Israel's controversial plan to uproot all troops and settlers from Gaza and parts of the northern West Bank, heightened fears about possible violence during the historic pullout.

The 19-year-old religiously observant Jew, dressed in army fatigues, unleashed a volley of fire inside a bus in the northern Galilee town of Shfaram in an argument over the pullout, police said.

Four Israeli Arab passengers died in the hail of bullets. The gunman was lynched by a furious crowd as hundreds flocked to the blood-smeared bus in a Druze neighbourhood of Shfaram shortly after the attack, police and witnesses said.

Among the victims were two students, the driver of bus 165, which served the route between Shfaram and the main northern city of Haifa, and a local Shfaram resident. Four other passengers were also injured, two of them seriously, public television said.


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What a dumbass.


Although you can get some positive information from this incident. It most probably was an act of a single person, not an organization.

Any right wing terrorist organization knows that it has an extemely limited number of actions it can execute before being caught by the GSS. Such an organization, wanting to stop the disengagement, also knows that their attack will have to be large and spectacular. Organizing a mere shooting attack is neither large nor spectacular, as we all know from bitter experience with the Palestinians.

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"Tapuah is one of the most extreme Jewish settlements, dominated by followers of U.S.-born Rabbi Meir Kahane, who advocated expelling Arabs from Israel and the West Bank. Kahane was assassinated in New York in 1990."

Yup, time for the bulldozers.

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Find his family and bulldoze their house.

Right. Hid did not choose a proper way to fight pullout.

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quote: originally posted by lotm
"Tapuah is one of the most extreme Jewish settlements, dominated by followers of U.S.-born Rabbi Meir Kahane, who advocated expelling Arabs from Israel and the West Bank. Kahane was assassinated in New York in 1990."

Yup, time for the bulldozers.




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This lynching and the gathering of a mob who tried to stop the police is very worrying. As I understand it, the terrorist stopped shooting and policemen were trying to protect him from the mob but he was lynched anyway. If he really wasnt killed during the shooting or before the police arrived(which is a completely justifiable self defense)... that's bad.

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Terrorism

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What a dumbass.


Although you can get some positive information from this incident. It most probably was an act of a single person, not an organization.

Any right wing terrorist organization knows that it has an extemely limited number of actions it can execute before being caught by the GSS. Such an organization, wanting to stop the disengagement, also knows that their attack will have to be large and spectacular. Organizing a mere shooting attack is neither large nor spectacular, as we all know from bitter experience with the Palestinians.


Settlers say, that they will shot to oppose pullout. Settlers say "Jews do not shot Jews". So what if settlers warn Sharon that they are about to start organized attacks on arab settlements in Gaza?

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I think the battle between the government and settlers is going to have the possibility to tear the country apart (at least morally). And then the oppertunist Arab terrorist groups will try to seize on that. It has the potential to be very scary.

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jews should pack it up and come live with us civilized people.

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jews should pack it up and come live with us civilized people.


youve got a point. Israels proximity to Greece is definitely a problem

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I think the battle between the government and settlers is going to have the possibility to tear the country apart (at least morally). And then the oppertunist Arab terrorist groups will try to seize on that. It has the potential to be very scary.


I dont know. everything ive read lately indicates most Israeli public opinion is rallying against the settlers, who are looking to radical. Your thoughts Eli?

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I dont know. everything ive read lately indicates most Israeli public opinion is rallying against the settlers, who are looking to radical. Your thoughts Eli?

Eli is from Tel-Aviv University and they are all left-wingers there :P

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I think the battle between the government and settlers is going to have the possibility to tear the country apart (at least morally). And then the oppertunist Arab terrorist groups will try to seize on that. It has the potential to be very scary.


Not going to happen. The settlers had just suffered two very significant defeats in their attempts to oppose the pullout. They organized two demonstrations with huge promises about breaking into Gush Katif and both failed miserably. They lost the battle. Only a "Black Swan" event can change anything now.

The reason why there will be no "tearing the country apart" is that during those protests, when the march to Gaza was about to begin and the settlers faced hordes of policemen and soldiers, their leadership, the only ones who are able to organize something large scale, were faced with two options, back off or start with riots. In both events, they backed off. Contrary to popular opinion, the settler leaders are responsible people, they will not turn to voilence.
That leaves us only with small cells or lone terrorists, like we saw today. But they dont have the means to create a real crisis.


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Settlers say, that they will shot to oppose pullout. Settlers say "Jews do not shot Jews". So what if settlers warn Sharon that they are about to start organized attacks on arab settlements in Gaza?


Same as above, it wont happen. The leaders who are able to organize large scale opposition are not fanatics.

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I dont know. everything ive read lately indicates most Israeli public opinion is rallying against the settlers, who are looking to radical. Your thoughts Eli?


I dont know either. I think the settlers managed to get some sympathy by running the two demonstrations peacefully, but it looks like they also lost most of their momentum there.

Today's event can change things. We'll have to see how tommorows papers spin things.

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That leaves us only with small cells or lone terrorists, like we saw today. But they dont have the means to create a real crisis.



That may be incorrect.
After all it was also "just a lone terrorist" who shot Yitzhak Rabin 10 years ago.

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That may be incorrect.
After all it was also "just a lone terrorist" who shot Yitzhak Rabin 10 years ago.


Yes, of course. But that enters the category of highly unlikely events. Sharon is protected so strongly now that I doubt any lone madman is able to hurt him.

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Rabin was shot because he was allowed to, look for the people with power to remove security for the real people behind the assassination. Blaming patriots

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Al'Kimiya, I think you've been standing on the sun too long.

Crazy ass terrorist murderer
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How come they lynched him? Did he run out of bullets?

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yep.

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Actually I think he had a jam..
But i'm not positive.

btw, i'm going to participate in the pullout as one of the ... erm.. puller outers...

more later

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Good luck Siro, don't get yourself in trouble.

 
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