07-08-2005 11:51									#1
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I bought CM 5 a couple of days ago, and now I am totally lost.

The game seems to have a nice bit of depth and a lot of data. OTOH, it doesn't have the right tools for you to handle this data, and information on vital statistics is lacking.

I RTFM and it helped a bit, but it is slim and small and a lot of information is missing. There is no PDF or other kinds of help files on the CD, and the stupid tutorial doesn't tell me things I don't already know. The manual tells me there is a stat called "finishing" which supposedly is important for forwards - but there is no such stat in the game.

First, they don't tell you what all these players and staff stats do, and how they affect the game. There are a lot of different numbers and traits (fitness, morale, personalities, etc.) but I know nothing about them. The only thing I can tell is, the higher, the better.

Second, there aren't sufficient tools. I can compare players, but I can only compare two at a time - and no way of removing somebody from the list once he is added - which doesn't help when there are hundreds of potential players to choose from. It would be nice if I can pick at least 10 players and have them listed side-by-side.

So I have spent like 5 hours already and have absolutely no idea what to do. Anybody has tips and tricks on how to play the game?

GameShadow doesn't work. Complains about unable to decompress corrupted data and fails to connect to the server.

	07-08-2005 13:22									#2
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I've never played CM5, so can't help you much I'm afraid.

I don't know if you know, but the devs who built up the CM series split from their publisher and branched out on their own. They didn't have anything to do with CM5, and from the reports I've heard it really shows.

The devs' new game is now called Football Manager and it's very good. I can imagine it will still be a bit overwhelming if you're new to the genre (are you?), but it's by far the best game of it's kind.

If you want to compare the two games, the demo (165MB) of Football Manager can be downloaded from this link: http://www.thedugout.net/download.p...1&cat=1&page=1#

	07-08-2005 13:36									#3
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Perhaps this is the end of CM as a real gaming force? Of course sales for this one should still be high due to inertia.

	07-08-2005 13:55									#4
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Thanks FP. I will give that a try.

	07-08-2005 15:03									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Perhaps this is the end of CM as a real gaming force? Of course sales for this one should still be high due to inertia.

Well, it was fun while it lasted. Rest in peace CM.

	07-08-2005 17:29									#6
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Yes, the problem with CM now is that its not made by SI, and thus a pile of toss.

	07-08-2005 21:46									#7
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Don't tell me I have just wasted my money :cries:

I tried downloading Football Manager a couple of times but no success. Maybe tomorrow.

	07-08-2005 22:42									#8
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Well if you enjoy it ill laugh at you, but at least you wont have wasted your money.

Anyway, cant you exchange it?

	07-08-2005 23:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Don't tell me I have just wasted my money :cries:

You should know better than to buy without doing your homework.

	08-08-2005 09:08									#10
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Oh no, UR! You didn't!!

SI has nothing to do with Championship Manager anymore and their game is now called Football Manager.

	09-08-2005 14:28									#11
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Sorry UR - you should have mentioned you were thinking of getting CM5, and we could have pointed you in the right direction(FM2005 by Sega).

CM5:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/pla...ionshipmanager5

FM2005:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/pla...ballmanager2005

Take CM5 back to where you bought it and exchange it if you can for FM2005(although 2006 is coming soon, so you could get your money back and wait abit?).

	09-08-2005 18:23									#12
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Not the first time I bought lemons on impulse

coT - thanks for the meta review site. Some of the games I am contemplating turn out to be bad.

	09-08-2005 22:49									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Not the first time I bought lemons on impulse

Hopefully you've learnt your lesson now.

	10-08-2005 07:01									#14
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I am trying, Spikey, I am trying

	11-08-2005 14:44									#15
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just looking at those metacritic reviews of both games i gave UR - its odd how the highest reviews for both games are from the same source; the Times newspaper.
maybe broadsheets should just stick to what they do best huh?

	11-08-2005 22:57									#16
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shame on your UR! you ought to know that SI was what made the CM series great!

FM2005 is just fine

	11-08-2005 23:50									#17
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Downloading the demo now.
The last Champ Manager I played was something like 99-00. I remember that Roman Riquelme was (a) really bloody good, and (b) astoundingly cheap. I bet he costs a fortune now though.

[Edit]: Aren't I good? I didn't bother posting again to tell you all that it has now downloaded (well, a while ago actually), and I'll bring back comments once I've played a little. Souness - your job is on the line!

Last edited by duke o' york on 12-08-2005 at 00:04

	12-08-2005 03:34									#18
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Bugger it, I'll make another post then.
This game is fun!
I thrashed some Greek team in the UEFA Cup, but still lost 2-1 to Liverpool, with a flukey deflection.
I'm only glad I haven't got the whole thing, or else I'd be ringing in sick tomorrow. BTW, Robinho's not worth £8m.

	12-08-2005 07:38									#19
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Ugh, they don't have FM2005 here. Maybe I'll order online...

	13-08-2005 06:28									#20
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they banned FM 2005 in china because it treats taiwan as a seperate country (i'm not joking), i don't know if SI have changed it for you lot.

and football manager is a great game, but it does help if you know a bit about football when you play

	13-08-2005 13:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney they banned FM 2005 in china because it treats taiwan as a seperate country (i'm not joking)

	14-08-2005 06:15									#22
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I've only just started CM03-04... is it really worth the upgrade ? I always play lower league (in case that makes a difference)

S

	14-08-2005 06:35									#23
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

FM05-06 will be coming out in October/November so probably not worth it yet.

	14-08-2005 14:10									#24
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That's the thing with this genre - there is always a new version that adds a couple of features for you to spend your money on.

	14-08-2005 19:37									#25
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Spend....... money

I usually buy the last in the series of updates because its the only one worth keeping. I still play CM01-02 (CM3 series) and CM97-98 (CM2) on crappy computers sometimes.

	29-08-2005 00:51									#26
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Bloody hell. I know that it was only a demo, but it kicked me out with my Celtic team miles clear in the league, heading out of the Big Cup on their way to the UEFA Cup, and generally kicking ass (well, apart from Juve and Arsenal). I'd got to the second transfer window, with Freddy Adu and Franck de Boer ready to come oon board, and all I got was a pop-up telling me thanks for playing.
But I know if I buy the real one, it will suck the life out of me.

	29-08-2005 01:17									#27
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Ive gone off it again for a bit... just seems like you have to put so much time in, to get very little out. Although I do always enjoy what I get out.

I was talking about FM.

	29-08-2005 04:23									#28
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Obviously.

I was gutted it wasn't a full season. I reasoned that since I couldn't sign playrs from the Argentina U-21 side then maybe it would go on for a season, but no.

	29-08-2005 07:22									#29
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york But I know if I buy the real one, it will suck the life out of me.

This is exactly my concern right now. I am afraid I won't have time for anything else, and may even hog Wintel box, resulting in me being thrown about.

	29-08-2005 14:44									#30
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Thrown about?