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Never thought the old guy had the balls to do such a thing. Very refreshing change in Japan over the last couple of years.

I laughed heartily at the Japan Post quote about dictatorship. Pretty amazing what people will say and do when iron rice bowls are threatened.

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By David Pilling in Tokyo
Published: August 8 2005 06:33 | Last updated: August 8 2005 11:29

graphicJapanese prime minister Junichiro Koizumi has dissolved parliament, paving the way for a snap election in September, after a key postal privatisation bill was rejected in an upper house vote on Monday.

Mr Koizumi, who said he would prefer to “be killed” than give up his hopes of privatising the post office, got the approval to dissolve the lower house of parliament at an emergency cabinet meeting held after the vote. Such a move means a general election must be held within 40 days.

Monday’s vote highlighted how widely Mr Koizumi’s ruling Liberal Democratic party is divided over the postal reform. The bill - the centrepiece of Mr Koizumi’s reform agenda - was defeated by 125 votes to 108, an unexpectedly wide margin. Twenty-two LDP members voted against the bill and eight abstained. It would have been defeated if just 18 LDP legislators voted against.

Immediately after the parliament vote, senior LDP members tried to persuade Mr Koizumi to resign with his cabinet, clearing the way for the election of a new LDP president and hence prime minister. Several LDP politicians also criticised what they described as Mr Koizumi’s illogical determination to dissolve the lower house because of a vote taken in the upper chamber.

The cabinet is due to hold another meeting later Monday to set the date for the election.

Takao Toshikawa, editor of InsideLine, a political newsletter, said Mr Koizumi was convinced he could go to the country and return with a fresh mandate to push his privatisation through.

But the opposition Democratic Party of Japan will see the election as a big chance to seize power for the first time.

Japan’s Nikkei 225 stock average fell 1 per cent before the vote, but rose immediately after the bill was rejected to 11788.98, up 0.1 per cent on the day.

The bill’s fate was sealed when senior LDP members came out against the privatisation. There were also bitter complaints against Mr Koizumi’s political style, which flies in the face of Japan’s traditional consensus decision-making process.

Kobo Inamura, until his retirement this year a senior executive at Japan Post, said: “The extreme market fundamentalists have received a big blow. There was even the odour of rising dictatorship by the prime minister, threatening the free decision-making at the lower house.”

Opponents of privatisation argue that it would threaten what they say is Japan's most beloved and secure institution. It would also sever a traditional, though unofficial, source of finance and vote-gathering that has helped keep the LDP in almost unbroken power for the half century since it was founded.

Yoshiro Mori, former prime minister and Mr Koizumi’s political mentor, has turned against his protégé in recent days. “The prime minister's stubborn stance makes us feel that we should no longer rely on him to head the government,” he said last week.

LDP heavyweights fear that an election could split the party, with those who voted against privatisation in the lower house facing the possibility of expulsion. Heizo Takenaka, minister in charge of postal reform, said defeat was a "big loss" for the economy. Legislators had voted for big government over the efficiency of the market, he said.

Mr Koizumi has argued that privatising the post office would liberate Y350,000bn ($3,200bn) of savings and insurance premium funds that could be funnelled more efficiently through the private sector. He has also said privatisation would slim down the state by removing one-third of all public employees from government payrolls.

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Did he use hydrochloric acid?

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The pen is mightier than the beaker!

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Yay, the free markeeters have been defeated!

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'Japanese civilization destroyed by Japanese'

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They shouldn't privatize it, but cancel the government guarantees to the Postal Office.

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Do you know of any government bank whose assets aren't guaranteed by the government?

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This might very well backfire on him.

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Privatizing the postal service?

I highly doubt that this will spin off into a dictatorship like that person at the Japan Post said...

But I do support rearming Japan.

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Do you know of any government bank whose assets aren't guaranteed by the government?


A commercial bank? All Israeli banks, when they weren't private.

Well, to be precise, the government bailed out even the private banks at one time, but that was for the fear that the the entire banking system was about to crash.

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A government bank is by definition not private. Do you know of any government bank whose assets aren't guaranteed by the government?

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Yeah, sorry about that. I meant weren't private.

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He has also said privatisation would slim down the state by removing one-third of all public employees from government payrolls.


Cool. Good for Japan. No wonder his plan faces such heavy opposition, but it seems a necessary step to reform.

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I still don't know why this is deemed like a naturally good thing.

YAY LESS GOVT JOBS. again, why? especially since it seems likely that the enterprise, if incorporated, would be profitable, and competitive... So then it slims down to this: neoliberal Religion. True religion. Makes capitalism supporters calling commies religious really funny, since while it may seem that communists ditch utility in the face of their stated goals, such as equality, and justice, capitalism supporters often ditch their own stated goals, efficiency, just because it happens not to happen in the same way their "prophets" said it would.

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Simply put, it will allow the people who are now working for the government to find other jobs that will utilize their skills more fully. Japan has rather low unemployment, so these workers should be able to find good work otherwise.

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They are already working. If the government will privatize the post, they'll continue working there, hopefully for smaller wages, so that the money will go to those who "really need it". It also is a competitive bussiness, so it's supposed according to THE HOLY BOOK OF THE MARKET be slim and trim, because otherwise, it will give a much worse service, or the competition could take a bite out of it, or other theoretical crap.

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Fewer. I don't think the goal is to get people to work for cheaper.

In any event, slimming down the cost structure isn't the main goal of privatizing the post office. Rather, it is to facilitate better allocation of the mind-bogglingly large deposits under post office management.

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not if they have a good union, no.

Why do you think that fewer? that will hurt service, and that will hurt the same millions of accounts where the ordinary japanese are holding there.

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I don't think I need to explain further. I think you know the good arguments by now on the subject.

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And you know that there are plenty of good arguments against. And you know them too. Now, why on earth are your arguments better than mine?

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Because they just are, commie. I don't feel the need to regurgitate arguments that both you and I know already.

Maybe Adam Smith or somebody will come along and take pity on you, but I gave at the office.

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You know yours a lame joke troll when I know your reply before I click the "Submit Reply" button.

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Is this the point in the discussion when from the ruins of your homeland, the great Soviet Union, you see fit to lecture me about the virtues of government control of the economy?

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Not necessarily. My real homeland provides plenty of great examples, too.

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You could put a pen in my beaker and see what happens

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Thank god. The Japanese parliament needs a big shakeup. If the LDP splits, then that'll be a large step forward for Japanese democracy. Even if they are socialists, the DPJ gaining power would be a welcome change from nearly 50 years of the LDP. Too bad that Post Office won't be touched.

Does anyone want to take bets as to how many LDP lawmakers are going to commit suicide over this or the election?

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Japan's Post savings accounts pay below market rates of interest. In addition, the government has used those savings to back many things that provided no service/benefit to the account holders such as currency buying/dumping to maintain the Yen at artificial trading levels (sometimes too low, sometimes too high), construction bonds for unneeded projects, etc. It is probably the greatest source of capital for financing pork barrel projects in Japan.

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Japan's gotta do something with it's economy. I say they should keep the postal service public but allow for more inward FDI. It might be less or more contraversial... but I know very little about Japanese politics.

 
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