09-08-2005 18:55									#1
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...1545330,00.html

The recent fear and blocking of Chinese companies acquiring western corporations raises several questions.

1. If we beat communism why are we still afraid of china?

2. Is communism we fear or the fact that they are not western?

3. How is that we want open markets but when it comes down to it we want protectionism to prevent our markets from really being open?


I understand the living/working conditions of the worker and the value issue concerning chinese currency but accoding ideological doctrine a businesses under a communist country would never able to flourish enough that they would be able to purchase a large corporation in a free market society.

	09-08-2005 18:55									#2
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It's an alien power with growing potential. Realistically speaking, they're most definitely a threat to anyone who wields the highest share of power so far.

	09-08-2005 19:08									#3
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It was my understanding that Chinese companies weren't being blocked, but that the Chinese Government (or Chinese Goverment supported companies) were being blocked.

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not government-supported, but government owned. They don't need the government to support them.

	10-08-2005 04:23									#5
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It's not unheard of for a State Owned Company to make foreign acquisitions.

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They are inscrutable.

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I think its pretty simple really. The US sees in China a country with the possibility, if not the liklihood, of supplanting them as the #1 power. It is not suprising that you would not want this entity obtaining a controlling interest over some key resources.

In economic theory you may want there to be a free market, but when you get to matters of national secutity and matters of the national interest, your actions may not be in accord with economics.

Now the fact that China is "communist" (well sort of) and don't have great records on human rights and the environment can be brought out to marshall support for certain measures but I think its simpler. The US wants to control itself or have controlled by its friends, enough of the key resources crucial to its industry and military might.

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Aye, realism is still pretty much the ideology of international relations.

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Being a succesful capitalist is all about opening your enemies markets and protecting your own. They aren't afraid of china, they are afraid of competition - otherwise american companies wouldn't be trying to expand into the biggest and fastest growing market on earth. Hell, even the NBA is in on china.

	10-08-2005 07:55									#10
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Protectionism

China doesn't let US acquire much in it. US won't let China acquire American companies until there's some quid-pro-quo.

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quote: Originally posted by Flip McWho Aye, realism is still pretty much the ideology of international relations.

Agreed. That's why I'm hoping a vast, alien armada shows up in orbit one day. That way we can unite to bring them down in flames, but only after half of the world has been wiped out.

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	10-08-2005 11:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Being a succesful capitalist is all about opening your enemies markets and protecting your own. They aren't afraid of china, they are afraid of competition - otherwise american companies wouldn't be trying to expand into the biggest and fastest growing market on earth. Hell, even the NBA is in on china.

Capitalists aren't really American or Chinese. They're just capitalists. They only care about making money. Things may appear different on the outside, but they stay the same on the inside.

	10-08-2005 11:50									#13
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I find all the China hysteria hilarious. ZOMG the Chinese are gonna beat us all!!

I think blind fear and protectionism never really helps. Adapting and becoming stronger always wins.

It's kinda like all the big Hollywood companies. Every time a new medium of entertainment comes out (VCR, DVD, MPEG) they always move to block it as a threat. But then when they figure out how to embrace the new technology, they make WAY more money in the long run than they did before.

In my opinion, we're actually in the midst of the peak of Chinese acension, and it's not going to grow at this breakneck speed forever.

I've heard some Chinese friends voice this opinion, though have heard "stories" of others returning home because they can make more money in China now.

ZOMG TEH CHINESE?MONGREL HORDE IS GOING TO RUN US OVER WITH THEIR FIREBOATS@!!!!!11111111

LIU BI SAVE ME !!!!!!

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara They are inscrutable.

If only we could scrute them.

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quote: It's not unheard of for a State Owned Company to make foreign acquisitions.

Oh, of course not. Just being a technicality nazi.

	10-08-2005 12:31									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Pax http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...1545330,00.html The recent fear and blocking of Chinese companies acquiring western corporations raises several questions. 1. If we beat communism why are we still afraid of china?

Firstly, we didn't beat communism so much as it beat itself. Secondly, communism and China are not the same thing. Thirdly, the Chinese are not really communists in anything but name though their state is politically the same sort of horsesh!t we are used to seeing from nominally communist countries.

quote: Originally posted by Pax 2. Is communism we fear or the fact that they are not western?

Neither. We fear them because they have the potential to harm us and a government which is beholding to no one but itself short of a coup d'etat.

quote: Originally posted by Pax 3. How is that we want open markets but when it comes down to it we want protectionism to prevent our markets from really being open?

Are you aware that in every country there are those who support more free market policies and those who support more protectionism? In the case of China trying to buy a U.S. oil company there was enough of a stir that the Chinese decided to not push it. The stir was created because the Chinese company is majority owned by the state, and oil is a strategic resource. Don't expect the U.S. to sell the Chinese General Dynamics either.

quote: Originally posted by Pax I understand the living/working conditions of the worker and the value issue concerning chinese currency but accoding ideological doctrine a businesses under a communist country would never able to flourish enough that they would be able to purchase a large corporation in a free market society.

Where exactly did you find this doctrine outlined? In any event, the PRC does not have a communist economy. When they did it is extremely unlikely that they could / would have been able to buy a large western corporation.