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Donegeal is offline Donegeal
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It is never too early to think about wonders. Lets discuss build stratagies for wonders in this thread.

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In my opinion, there is only one "Wonder of Wonders" (there are two for MP mode like this).

This "Wonder of Wonders" is the Great Pryamids. Now I know that it might mess up with our initial plans, but I propose that our third city (1 is our capital, 2 is our worker pump) be built in a high despotic production area and immediately start working on the Great Pryamids (with a palace prebuild cover). Starting them with our third city should give us an edge on production.

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Sounds like an option, now we just have to figure out where we are going to place cities (and explore that land, first).

Pyramids AND/OR SoZ. We would need to look at getting it's pop up as fast as possible, with around 10 (or more) SPT, after Waste, when it get's it's pop up.

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If we get ivory and get SoZ we will be teh oMfG 1337357 of teh 1337 4nd t0t411y 4n4L PWN0rZ everyone

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Does anyone here know how to translate 1337? I only know spanish.

to the Pyramids. The city, though, would ideally be on a coast, since everyone else will be shooting for those two wonders. A coastal location would be great if we have to switch to Collosus or Lighthouse for backup.

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translation:

we will be the oh-my-f*cking-god elitest of the elite and totally anal-own everyone.

RegentMan is offline RegentMan
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If we get ivory and get SoZ we will be teh oMfG 1337357 of teh 1337 4nd t0t411y 4n4L PWN0rZ everyone

Wish that were true...

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SoZ is veeery powerful in MP. i'd have that over the pyramids.

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Yes, yes. Statue this, statue that. It is powerful. I'm not denying that...
BUT WE DON'T HAVE IVORY!

So lets concentrate on something we can build. How many shields is the Pryamids?

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So lets concentrate on something we can build. How many shields is the Pryamids?


400 shields. I do prefer the Pyramids.

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we dont have any ivory, as far as we know, yet.

If we get the chance, we should do SoZ over Pyramids.

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Statue of Zeus = one ancient cavalry every five turns...
Is this right?

:drool:

In SP games I usually go for Pyramids first, but playing at monarch is easy to built both...

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Keep in mind that every other team will want these two wonders too.

@Aro - Yes, SoZ creates an ancient cavalry every five turns. A 3/2/2 +1 hp unit.

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Yep, I meant in SP games only... I doubt we can have both in a MP game like this. Our adversaries are merciless SOB's just like us.

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Pyramids are nice, but I'm not as much a fan of them as I used to be.

First off, worker pumps are great on their own. We already have lpans for 2 pumps, and I believe recently revealed food sources give us the possibility of more.

Second off, the Pyramids generally cost more than the handful of granaries necessary for pumps. Though they certainly are cheaper than building a granary in every city, and save on maintenance besides.

And third off, the Pyramids are, indeed, one of the first truly powerful wonders. Building them may well send off a signal of "Hey! We're doing well! Unite against us!"

Overall, the Pyramids are certainly a good thing, but I'm not sure we want to tie up the early production required to build them. If we get a SGL that would change things, but otherwise I think we should save the wonders for the Middle Ages.

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another problem with the pyramids is that by the time you've built it, you could have built granaries in all your early cities anyway, and for less shields. So you either "waste" all those shields spent on granaries, or you hold off building granaries, slowing your REX, so as to get them for free when the pyramids finally get finished.

Also, "Pyramid" is the name of one of the applications I support at work, and I dont want to be reminded of this when playing Civ!!!! :-D

Overall, unless we get ivory, I say wonders are not wroth it. The Collosus is nice, but obsolete fast & need coast, and the GL is fantatic, but not so useful in MP where the opposition conspire against the team that builds it..

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if we get SoZ we can capture the pyramids

but we do not have ivory...or at least do not know about it yet...

so i would prefer not to build any wonders at all as 400shields=10swordmen+5spearmen
with an army like this we can easyly conquer any wonder on our continent...

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if we get SoZ we can capture the pyramids

but we do not have ivory...or at least do not know about it yet...

so i would prefer not to build any wonders at all as 400shields=10swordmen+5spearmen
with an army like this we can easyly conquer any wonder on our continent...


Actually we could build 10 swords and 10 Enkidu warriors. So it's even better.

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Originally posted by Moonbars The Collosus is nice, but obsolete fast & need coast

The Collosus obsoletes with flight. Not too fast in my opinion.

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Yeah, Flight is pretty far in the future.

But again, tying up early production hurts. And we haven't reached coast anyway. If we have a good candidate city down the road and it still hasn't been built, it would be one to consider.

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Oh dear, I suggest everybody ignores anything Moonbars says from this point on.

No idea what wonder I was getting mixed up with..

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Well, it must have been an early expiring wonder. Perhaps the Temple of Armenis or the Oracle? Maybe the Great Library?

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