21-08-2005 05:19									#31
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Speed chess was popular long before there was an internet. I have played it for years with my german built chess clock.

	21-08-2005 12:48									#32
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I've played many games. Some of them I've lost, some of them I've won. I may have cheated once or thrice, though I like to think not. Of the above, winning or losing were not what made the game great.

Same can be said by every sportsman, of every game, who loves the game, of course.

My favorite games are the close ones, where each player is giving their best, and the win/loss is secondary to the intricacies of the game itself. A close second favorite, of course, is the game where a clear winner gains something themselves while a challenger appreciates the game and learns from it.

No doubt 'cheating' exists. Maybe a shame that I missed this games golden years playing solo.

The games I have played so far multi-player have only enthused me. The people I have played have been teachers, whether winning or losing.

I have no complaints so far

just some arguments, mostly for fun, about a game that we all (and I do too) PLAY. (Please Lets Avoid YhgjkfLOVEjkglh)

	21-08-2005 12:56									#33
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Also, I'm very drunk, just got home from climbing Mt. Fuji at the peak of a great vacation, facing a long and horrible week at at work.

cheers guys,

	21-08-2005 22:45									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Caesar Jon Speed chess was popular long before there was an internet. I have played it for years with my german built chess clock.

Irealize that. I used to play it all the time as a kid. My point was that, in general, people seem to prefer quick games on the internet.

	22-08-2005 00:24									#35
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I have given many arguments why the settings I play are more balanced for MP. I have given arguments on why my settings reduce the luck in a game that already has a high amount. I have written tons of strategies and I have played all the best players on their settings. I have discovered all the bugs for this game before anyone else did. The bribe bug for example...that was my doing. The use of ctrl+N in ladder games to end your turn when you come up on an empty city. The spacebar with trade trick I just recently revealed to you. The list goes on and on, and there are still more that I haven't revealed. It's not the bugs or the tricks though that made me so good. It was the ability to defend the entire map with a few horsemen while I forced the other guy to use more units. I was able to feel when it was safe to build cities and when I felt weak in other areas. I constantly redefined the way people played this game. I set the standards people used in competitive play and I still do even today as I create better ways to play. It is obvious that I know more about this game than any of you. If you want to say you play the settings you like most, fine. Do not say, however, that your settings are more challenging or are good MP settings because you have yet to refute any of my arguments and I could write a book on it...literally. I can't wait for civ4. I hope I will be able to buy a computer that I can play it on.

	22-08-2005 01:10									#36
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You should realy start this discussion on www.civliga.de

	22-08-2005 03:41									#37
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Most of your arguements are OPINIONS.
Just like you ignore anybody else's opinion, some treat your's the same.

Different strokes for different folks.

Some tricks should be discussed to see if they would be classified cheats and not useable. But then, I'm not going to hold my breath.

I can honestly say I don't use any tricks that haven't been discussed and ruled to be allowed or not.

You keep talking about a level playing field but you're not willing to offer a true one to your oponents. Tricks aren't skill.

	22-08-2005 05:47									#38
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quote: Originally posted by StarLightDeath I have given many arguments why the settings I play are more balanced for MP.

Opinions and nothing more.

quote: I have given arguments on why my settings reduce the luck in a game that already has a high amount.

Again... opinions that many disagree with.

quote: I have written tons of strategies and I have played all the best players on their settings.

People thank you for the strategies, and while you have played "the best" players on their settings, that just proves you are good. And I don't think anybody is arguing that. We are disagreeing with you on the concept of best settings. That is just opinion.

quote: I have discovered all the bugs for this game before anyone else did.

No you didn't... people were discussing many of the bugs before you "discovered them" I'm sure you discovered some... but all... HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

quote: The list goes on and on, and there are still more that I haven't revealed.

I guess that's the difference... most players around here worked together to compile lists so everybody would be on even ground and we could discuss which ones weren't to be used in games... And unless you reveal them... how do we know you just aren't making it all up

quote: It's not the bugs or the tricks though that made me so good.

Then why keep ALL those tricks and bugs to yourself if you don't need them to win...

quote: It was the ability to defend the entire map with a few horsemen while I forced the other guy to use more units. I was able to feel when it was safe to build cities and when I felt weak in other areas.

Some people said you did it by using a second computer

quote: I constantly redefined the way people played this game. I set the standards people used in competitive play and I still do even today as I create better ways to play.

You're good... agreed...

quote: It is obvious that I know more about this game than any of you.

You do know a lot about the game...

quote: If you want to say you play the settings you like most, fine. Do not say, however, that your settings are more challenging or are good MP settings because you have yet to refute any of my arguments and I could write a book on it...literally.

Your arguments are all just opinions... you don't back yours arguments with anything but your opinions... which obviously many people disagree with. You are the one that saying it's your way or it's crap. Most people are saying play what you enjoy... each game is different and none is "better" or the only way to play.

quote: I can't wait for civ4. I hope I will be able to buy a computer that I can play it on.

I hope you will too... because most of us look forward to your insights on the game. I even look forward to you crowing how you are the best and how nobody can beat you...

Keep on Civin'

	22-08-2005 10:57									#39
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Eyes refuses to play me a 1x1x deity game

	22-08-2005 11:17									#40
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Sorry for the 2nd post:

He says he has played all these games against all these people but for some reason I know of alot of people who would love to play him in 1x1x deity and he always refuses the game.

I do not doubt that Eyes can beat me in speed civ (2x2x king).

I do doubt that he could beat me in a 1x1x deity game. Strategicking used to come in here with the same self promoting talk. When he finally played me in a 1x1x deity game he lost. Then he blamed it on bad hut luck.

I certainly know I am not "the best" at 1x1x deity so he should have no trouble beating me. But I bet he refuses to play.

Now, before he responds to this post please vote on what his resposne will be. (I should have set up a poll )

MULTIPLE CHOICE

A. "Deity Dude is a rookie and not worth my time"

B. "1x1x deity is a rookie setting and not worth my time. If you doubt this please read my many strategies and posts. If I say it, it must be true."

C. "This game is dead and only @$#%@ #$#$% play it anymore, thus it is not worth my time."

D. "It is not worth my time to explain why it is not worth my time. I am too busy writing strategies and bragging about my many different cheats that you useless #$)%*)$%* dont know about"

E. All of the above with alot of childish insults and expletives thrown in.

	22-08-2005 17:41									#41
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I vote E

	22-08-2005 20:33									#42
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I vote for "A"....But I know your not a rookie DD

	23-08-2005 19:51									#43
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We've already played before Deity, many years ago. It was 1x1x Deity on a small map and I killed you with elephants. Actually I think it was 2x1x Deity, but it was definitely deity because I remember calling you a ****ing rookie and telling you how much you sucked as my cities were revolting at -1 and -2 (I know, that just adds so much to the game and makes you such a challenging opponent). I will end this discussion right now. Post a strategy for deity 1x1x that can't be done on any other setting. Post something that makes Deity special and that allows for a unique way of playing and enriches the strategy of the game. I expect it to have a title and I expect it to be original and out of the ordinary. I've written tons of these for 2x2x King, so lets see if you can write just one for Deity.

	23-08-2005 20:01									#44
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By the way, I don't have a computer right now or a reliable internet connection. I'm writing this from my brother's laptop right now on AOL dial up. The only time I could possibly play is when I go home which is from time to time so I'd have to post here and let you know in advance exactly when I'd be home.

You have not addressed my main reason for not playing Deity...HG is overpowered. I have never lost a game on 1x1x Deity where I got HG first. The only games I've lost on Deity were to Markus when I couldn't get HG first and that game I had only grassland and forest while his first 3 cities had whales. Again, you haven't addressed the FACTUAL NUMBERS (numbers aren't opinions if you didn't know) that bring Deity down to a race for HG. Don't tell me you can win without HG because Markus, Woke23, Jes, SmartFart, and a bunch of others thought they could and the game was over the minute I got HG. Why? Because HG allows me to build unlimited cities that only get mad at size 2 and I don't even have to defend them either because of the HG bug that actually makes your cities get anarchists if you put defenders on it. With HG and no defenders you get no anarchists and you will infinitely get mad at size 2. So you can have pyramids, you can have lighthouse, you can have everything you want but your 10 cities isn't going to out-do my 30+ cities. If you don't believe this, I'll dig up the post where smartfart actually AGREES with EVERYTHING I'VE SAID. I can prove beyond a doubt that the game can't be won without HG so all that's left is whether or not you are stupid and think you can with without it. You've already said that it is almost impossible to win without it so I won't hold my breath. Against me with it...there is no hope.

	24-08-2005 04:40									#45
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Actually we played twice. once 2x2x king and somehow you were in my capital around 3500bc.

The other time we played - it was 2x1x deity. You were on an island and said the game was BS and quit in about 2500bc.

I really dont care about your other games against other people and I never said I was better at, or wanted to write a bunch of strategies. I just want to play the game.

I just challenge you to an honest 1x1x deity game. Thats all. Your response about me writing strategies and your past victories against other players is just a way of not playng the game without admitting you arent playing the game.

Could you imagine this:

Its Saturday and its time for Michigan to play Mcihigan State in football. Michigan is a heavy favorite. Michigan declines the game. Their reason is twofold:

- They beat alot of other good football teams in the past.

- They have written strategies about football and Michigan State hasn't.

Hmmmmm.... I wonder how that would fly?

	24-08-2005 17:43									#46
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Yes, ignore him. I tried to take him up on his challange and leave HG for him, but his response was that he wouldn't play on my type of small world. There's always an excuse not to play. I've given up wasting my time.

	26-08-2005 18:46									#47
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A 35X35 map is not a valid map. I told you I would play you on a standard small map. I also told you Deity I would play you if you think you can win without HG. If you can't win without HG I see no point in playing you.

I still see no one has addressed the HG bug...is that because it is an opinion too? Basically you can't deny anything I've said so you say it is all opinion. You're a bunch of ****ing idiots.

	26-08-2005 20:46									#48
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We didn't address the HG bug because I thought everyone knew about it.

for the rest of your post, all I see is excuses not to play.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

	27-08-2005 03:54									#49
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quote: Originally posted by StarLightDeath I also told you Deity I would play you if you think you can win without HG. If you can't win without HG I see no point in playing you.

First of all I am not Deity. He is another highly respected 1x1x deity player.

Second, I don't want to play you in a game that only you can have HG. Somehow that doesn't seem fair. I guess the only way you feel comfortable playing me is with a built-in advantage. That's interesting seeing as you are the best.

I also find it interesting that you totally exxagerate RAH's settings. They aren't my favorite, but I play them. And they certainly aren't a 35 x 35 world.

I repeat my offer. 1x1x deity no city bribe. I think I would feel more comfortable hosting though. If you care to respond to this specific offer I would be interested. I am not interested in a game where you change the rules (only Eyes can have HG LOL) to suit your strategy.

Have fun with you name-calling and game-ducking.

	27-08-2005 06:49									#50
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I've seen this guy Eyes (not to mention many others of you) in the hall of fame here. I mentioned this on a different thread, but I suspect that someone with this many years experience should beat me even if they didn't have HG.

Scientific process/learning through experience requires testing you're theory for negatives. If the theory is that HG is unbeatable, the man should be trying to beat it (aka playing without it).

Anyway, I've seen temples and Oracle work for a while, and if you can make it to Monotheism there is still time for an expansion push, right?

	27-08-2005 06:59									#51
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I'm not doing anything until you answer the arguments I put forth. I said that Deity level can't be won without HG, you haven't answered that yet...none of you. Yes or no, can Deity level be won without HG? Players much better than you thought they could do it and failed. What have you done to disprove my argument? You haven't even ****ing answered it yet. It's simple numbers and they can't be called opinion. This game has always been numbers.

Playing on a piece of **** rah map is nothing more than playing on little tiny areas of grassland and then building on mountains slowing the game down to a ****ing crawl. As if Deity didn't constrain strategy and thought enough we now need to remove even the remotest possibility of expansion? How nice.

Fact: I have played all the best players on THEIR settings. They even challenged me to games saying that HG doesn't win games...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM LOST. The games weren't even close. I've played this game for 6 ****ing years MP at the highest levels of competitive play this game has offered...and you two have done what? We've got Rah with his Rah rules that involves a small numbers of barely known players and we've got Deity Dick who couldn't break the top 50 on the ladders and now plays on a Deity league with a bunch of washed up 2x2x players and newbies who have decided to play a dead game about 4 years too late.

Fact: I have never lost a game when I have HG. I have never won a game without HG. Every "good Deity" player I have played has said Deity is almost impossible to win without HG.

Fact: Games that come down to wonder races are based on hut luck and resources. On 1x1x this is exacerbated by the arguments I put forth (which y ou still haven't answered and have brushed off as simple opinion).

Either tell me why my arguments are wrong or shut the **** up and go back to the mediocre existence the scum of apolyton seem to thrive in. The simple fact is I have the arguments, I have the experience, and I have the writings and evidence of everything I've said...you on the other hand have done nothing more than to meekly brush everything off as opinion. You're a bunch of ****ing idiots.

	27-08-2005 07:05									#52
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quote: I've seen this guy Eyes (not to mention many others of you) in the hall of fame here. I mentioned this on a different thread, but I suspect that someone with this many years experience should beat me even if they didn't have HG. Scientific process/learning through experience requires testing you're theory for negatives. If the theory is that HG is unbeatable, the man should be trying to beat it (aka playing without it). Anyway, I've seen temples and Oracle work for a while, and if you can make it to Monotheism there is still time for an expansion push, right?

No amount of experience can win on Deity because there aren't enough options to do something the other guy doesn't know about. Why can't you ****ing idiots understand this? What is so hard to understand? You can't ****ing win on Deity without HG, I've tried it. Every single time I didn't get HG first I lost because the riot factor ****ed me over and the other guy just expands because the riot factor is completely negated due to the HG bug. Not to mention that HG in itself gives a 50% happiness advantage...again, when you are dealing with numbers that big it's impossible to overcome them. Kind of how I explained how whales give huge advantages becuase you are dealing with smaller numbers on 1x1x and therefore you increase the percentages? Can I make this anymore ****ing clear? HG means infinite expansion which means they will then get Monotheism first and they can even go republic once they have HG which means you are really ****ed because again...republic gives a 100% increase in science. 2x2x you don't have a 100% increase and therefore Monarchy is a viable strategy even if the other guy is in Republic as long as you play your strategy right. Government type on 2x2x King comes down to map shape, resources, huts, and opponent distance. Government type on Deity comes down to happiness and riot factor. Which one has more strategy? Again, try disproving me.

	27-08-2005 17:13									#53
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If you were so good... why did you cheat all the time then

	27-08-2005 19:37									#54
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I guess I'll take both of your long winded posts as a "no" to my question of whether or not you would care to play an honest 1x1x deity game.

I thought that would be the answer. It's alot easier to talk about how great your are than it is to actually prove it.

	28-08-2005 00:53									#55
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Ok, **** you. You're obviously just trying to piss me off now because I'm writing ****ing books on why I'm right and you're wrong and all you're doing is writing one line regurgitations of your previously written bullshit in an attempt to continue to goad me. You obviously can't disprove anything I've said so this is no longer worth my time.

	28-08-2005 04:12									#56
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Mostly because most of what you say is rants, insults and opinions. People have asked you to play, and you make up some excuse... it seems like you only want to play your way or no way... fine... but then don't say how great you are no matter what the settings

	28-08-2005 05:39									#57
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Bullshit and you know it. Go back and look at my first post. Not one person made any attempt to challenge what I said. Deity can't be won without HG due to the overpowered nature of HG on 1x1x Deity and due to the bug that makes martial law unnecessary and completely negates the riot factor. Disprove it or shut up, end of story.

	28-08-2005 07:22									#58
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quote: Originally posted by StarLightDeath Deity can't be won without HG due to the overpowered nature of HG on 1x1x Deity and due to the bug that makes martial law unnecessary and completely negates the riot factor.

I'm now in a duel with DD to prove you wrong. Although I agree its overpowered in 1x1x deity I'm not doing bad untill now. Although I only have Col + LH to his HG and ST, its a 69x49 map and pretty even right now.

This game can be won if I can send in enough caravans and steal enough techs so I can get the good wonders.

After all, 1x1x deity duels is nothing more then a wonderrace

	28-08-2005 17:22									#59
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I always thought the best way to beat somebody with HG was to just go and take the city for them

	28-08-2005 20:00									#60
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Now if only DD would coöperate.....