31-08-2005 01:16									#61
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You see how difficult it is to win without HG vs someone who sucks. Now imagine if you were playing against me and I had HG knowing as much as I do about the game and knowing how fast I expand...yeah, you'd be ****ed which proves my point that if HG is in capable hands the game is automatically over.

	31-08-2005 05:14									#62
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He wouldnt have been able to build HG if he sucked.

	31-08-2005 05:17									#63
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That doesn't hold true in MP games with more than 3 players. HG usually means you gave up somthing else, expansion early in the game, falling behind in sciences because you use your caravans to build a wonder vs trade routes, limit your ability to attack early... exploration... Against multiple players, it's not the end all advantage. I've had 30+ cities with no happy wonders and it's not a problem.

You speak mostly in terms of "duels"... many of us prefer real MP games

	31-08-2005 05:21									#64
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Thats the problem with some players, they only know the numbersgame.

	31-08-2005 08:32									#65
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Agreed, 4 man games are much more varied then duels.

	31-08-2005 09:08									#66
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If I suck so much - why won't Eyes play me

	31-08-2005 19:21									#67
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I think I've already made it clear why. Now, if maybe you were to explain to me why I am wrong about everything I've said and somehow tell me why it is that you will be able to beat me when every single other player couldn't then I migth remotely begin to entertain the idea of sitting through the most boring and idiotic civ2 game that can possibly be played. As for why he got HG first...Markus got HG first on several games too, but he had 5 whales compared to my grassland and forest. The simple fact is that whoever has the best resources is going to win. Numbers, that's all this game is. When the percentages and numbers become too high the likelyhood of coming back decreases.

	31-08-2005 20:43									#68
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quote: Originally posted by StarLightDeath Numbers, that's all this game is. When the percentages and numbers become too high the likelyhood of coming back decreases.

Now wait a minute... are you now saying that all of your skill really doesn't matter... and that the only way to win is luck, ie better resources, better huts, whatever...

	31-08-2005 23:21									#69
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Is it possible that Eyes will only play if he is guaranteed HG because he knows if he actually had to go for HG it would interupt his predetermined expansion strategy.

I stand by my challenge. An honest 1x1x deity game. Again, I am not interested in commenting on your opinions or supposed stategies. I think it is clear to everyone here what is going on.

I challenged you. You refuse to respond to the challenge.

You remind fo something brother (who is a law professor) teaches his students about trial law.

If the facts of the case are on your side, shout out the facts.
If the law is on your side, shout out the law.
If neither is on your side, just shout.

Keep on shouting.

	01-09-2005 00:01									#70
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These aren't opinions you ****ing idiot. Why should I bother with someone who just keeps stone walling everything and then uses second grade level attempts at goading me into a game? If you want a game it's not going to be deity. If you want a Deity game you have to prove my statements wrong, end of story. I already went through a few years ago and played everyone 1x1x and Deity and they are by far better than you. I see no point in wasting my time on someone like you in a setting I proved to be unbalanced years ago. I have quotes from people like smartfart who admit Deity comes down to a race for HG. I won't waste my time on someone as intellectually inferior as you are.

	01-09-2005 02:35									#71
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Smartwho?

	01-09-2005 02:36									#72
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And no it doesnt in MP, in duels its overpowered but then again duels are just the luck of the land and the numbersgame anyway.

	01-09-2005 04:00									#73
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I believe in the games you played - you agreed to set wonders ahead of time. Therefore, you didn't have to make a decision about applying resources towards getting the wonder or early expansion.

Here is a point you fail to answer.

If you are guaranteed a wonder there is no rush to get it. If you aren't guaranteed that you have to make a decision. You might decide to go for it while the other person expands. You might decide not to go for it and hope your expansion is more powerful then the benefit of the wonder. Worse case you might decide to go for it and not get it, then you wasted the resources and have nothing to show for it.

Now that I have explained why your BS test with some people years ago have nothing to do with playing an honest 1x1x deity game I am sure you will play me

Atawa probably makes the best case against 1x1x deity duels. It is true that superior resources are tough to overcome. But if you play island games (thus making HG and LH similiar in value) and allow each player a restart or 2, usually you can get a fairly even game.

	01-09-2005 05:11									#74
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Island games do make Hg less powerfull for sure, if only becouse after you reach trade you can basicly set your tech at 10% and just deliver caravans for science.

In a game I played this week someone delivered a caravan to a size 1 city with no trade and still got over 300...

The only problem with this theory is that on a round continent you just build your cities inland untill you have both HG and Mike...

	01-09-2005 05:51									#75
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Wow, are ther actually strategies to a civ game other than 2x2x king. I am shocked.

Atawa maybe you should write a long winded post that declares yourself the greatest player ever at all settings. Then you could talk about your past games (kinda like when my Dad talks about the good ole days) and decline playing any games unless you can predetermine your wonder.

	01-09-2005 15:03									#76
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Nah, I rather invest my time in playing games

	01-09-2005 23:54									#77
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Me too.

	01-09-2005 23:56									#78
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The respond to MSN and finish our duel, its an interesting game

	02-09-2005 00:19									#79
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sorry atawa - i forget to turn ICQ and MSN off when I am not there.

I believe our schedules only allow for a morning game for me, which is an early evening game for you. That pretty much means saturday or sunday morn for me. I will be out of town this weekend but would love to finish next weekend. I am also available starting tues evening 7pm USA EST ( i think that is somewhere around midnite or 1 am your time) If thats cool with you we can play Tues. Otherwise its gonna have to be a week from this Saturday.

	02-09-2005 01:16									#80
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Next sunday then?

	02-09-2005 02:16									#81
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sounds good - look for me around noon or 1pm USA est - I think that around 7ish your time

	02-09-2005 06:08									#82
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Only two of those games were predetermined to give HG to me. Your theory is baseless and flawed and you didn't even explain your idea of using resources early to get HG properly.

1. When playing HG I have to rush for HG right off the bat because of the speed at which I expand since if I don't get it immediately the riot factor kills me. Therefore your idea that I waited is just ridiculous.

2. The idea that I will sacrifice expansion to get HG early is ridiculous since I don't have to worry about expansion because without HG you are capped off by the riot factor and the few cities you MIGHT get before me will ultimately be cancelled out by the 30+ I build with HG.

3. Since when is building caravans and sending them a strategy? Is there some big secret to them? I was building caravans and using them for science with Markusf in tribe games 5 years ago, before you were even playing MP if I"m not mistaken. Amusingly you think that Lighthouse beats HG, w0ke23 thought that too. Problem with that is that all I have to do is take off all my trade and your bonus is negated. Then add in the fact that all my cities don't go beyond size 3. Then on top of it add in the fact that with so many more cities you can't out build me in triemes. Then add in the fact that if you are building caravans you aren't building wonders and while you are building caravans just to attempt to break even in science I am doing nothing but building triemes and cities. Let me tell you the game I had with markus. He had both lighthouse and pyramids AND he took my capital. He lost because I just kept building more and more cities and his veteran triemes couldn't handle 30 cities building them. I can lose 3 triemes to every one you lose and still win because all I have to do is kill one trieme with 2 caravans and I still come out on top. Face it, you can't beat the numbers.

What made me great is that I have a feel for what I need when I need it. I knew where to build the cities and when and I knew where to put horsemen and where I didn't need them. YOu think you are going to beat me by sending caravans on a trieme? I knew that strategy before you even started MP. Markus and I had a tribe strategy where we would flood caravans to each other and have tanks by 1000BC. There is nothing you know that I don't and you are obviously outmatched.

	04-09-2005 03:55									#83
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then play the game or shutup