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reds4ever is offline reds4ever
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Texas hold 'em. Any tips? Suffering from ads?

I know there a couple of poker players on 'poly. I'm in a "friendly" game next week. What are the big "do" and "do nots""?

I've played a bit a stud poker but I fear the worst......

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Whatever you do

never

never

EVER

fold 7-2 offsuit.

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Berzerker knows all the official terms.
I play at www.pacificpoker.com
Get some practice with demo mney. Go broke? You get more. Hopefully you won't. I "prosper".

All I know to say is don't fold after the first three cards.
Wait and see.

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Got spare money?

You gotta know when to fold'em, know when to hold'em, know when to walk away.

Oh, and don't play online. It might be fun, but you're playing against guys who are only thinking about odds and whatnot.

Play around a table where you can read the guys face and see if hes bluffing.

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All I know to say is don't fold after the first three cards.
Wait and see.




Say, sloww.

Would you like to get involved in a friendly game with me?

5$-10$ no limit sound good to you?

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Sloww's a calling station. Sweet.

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Bring your ass to that site, and quit flapping your gums.
Put up or shut up, as it's said. Talk is cheap.

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I just named the stakes, son.

I have 2 200+ entrant tournament wins out of 10 entered and over 10 000$ of profit on 100$ initial bankroll...

Oh, and that's real money, not play stuff...

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You're walking into a Canadian buzzsaw, Tex. Enjoy.

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Well, there is a lot to cover on this subject, so for now, I'll only tell you about the two cards you are dealt.

You have to assess the potential of your initial two cards with regard to what winning hands they could make. Based on this you determine whether you want or fold or call to the flop. Any pair of 8's or higher is a keeper. Any two cards same suit is usually a keeper, though if the bidding gets too high pre-flop and you have a wide spread between the cards, e.g., J2s, you might want to fold. Any two cards valued at J or above is usually worth keeping to the flop. Any combination of cards not mentioned here, just fold on them..

If anyone wants to play me, come to www.pokeroom.com. I just use play money. But I've worked 10k of play money into 330k.. I am in the high limit games. My name there is AshyLarry..

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Well, there is a lot to cover on this subject, so for now, I'll only tell you about the two cards you are dealt.

You have to assess the potential of your initial two cards with regard to what winning hands they could make. Based on this you determine whether you want or fold or call to the flop. Any pair of 8's or higher is a keeper. Any two cards same suit is usually a keeper, though if the bidding gets too high pre-flop and you have a wide spread between the cards, e.g., J2s, you might want to fold. Any two cards valued at J or above is usually worth keeping to the flop. Any combination of cards not mentioned here, just fold on them..

If anyone wants to play me, come to www.pokeroom.com. I just use play money. But I've worked 10k of play money into 330k.. I am in the high limit games. My name there is AshyLarry..


Hmm-- that play seems pretty loose. To me you have to consider how many people are playing. If its only 2 players left, you play a lot more hands than you do when there are 5 or more folks at the table. Common sense really.

I don't love playing anything much less than an A-8 although lower suited connectors are worth staying in if the betting is low. I absolutely agree on the paired 8s with 4+ players. With fewer players . . . in theory in head to head any lower pair is not THAT much worse since the chance of an opponent hitting an unpaired over card stays about the same. Its just the chance of an oponent having a higher pair from the outset thats higher. Playing a low pair also make the betting harder . Consider your different situation with a pair of 8s instead of a pair of 6s when you see a flop of 7-3-2 for instance.

Try to get a sense of the players. I don't think the "play money" rooms are any sense of real play since people can do all sorts of silly things. I played tight in a fake money arena and pretty quickly quadrupled my "money". But I saw that some folks simply bet every hand until they lost their stakeand then returned replenished a few seconds later. It leads to silly play like the time my hole K pair lost to a guy that stayed in with a 6-3 unsuited. I bet pretty big pre-flop but he stayed in anyway and with a midrange flop of something like a 3-8-j, I was still feeling pretty good and bet big again-- anyone with a pair of 3s in a real money game would be out but he stayed in and won when he hooked a 3 on the river. After that I just bet every single hand until I lost all my play money and left.

I actually find that low limit games are somewhat similar-- if you can't bet enough to scare people out, you get people playing the oddest sorts of hands.

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reds, a few (very general) things

- don't be afraid to fold and fold often, patience is a virtue when playing
- learn the % chances of hands winning in situations, this is why maths geeks (like kh ) can become very good at poker
- the game varies a great deal depending on how many players are there, a small pair ain't too clever in a seven-handed game but three handed it's often a different story
- poker is something you only really learn through experience, so if you've not played before don't put real money on the line
- real life is VERY different to on-line poker
- and finally, if you're going to bluff, make it an outrageous one

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poker is stupid

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Does anyone play with real money online? I cant bring myself to try it because it seems like it would be too easy for people to cheat. You could have a group of people sit at one online table and talk to each other on cell phones about their cards and make decisions about how to bet..

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awesome thread.. in 1 minute a tourney will start I'm in.. we'll see, over 2000 participants already.. I'm hoping to finish in the top 100 but we'll see.

Texas Hold'em, No Limit of course

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the worst one ever for me.. lasted like what.. 2 minutes? Freaking bad beat from the get go.. I had the nuts, two aces.. everyone starts conservatively as usual, and then two dudes goes all-in.. no flop yet seen.. well I have nuts.. I'm thinking I should hold on for a moment to get some sweat on, but then again I have the nuts, and thinkign the only right move is to move in, since .. well I got the nuts. What happens? No one has **** but me, and the flop comes. 3 diamonds.. I'm like damn.. I have no diamonds at all..turn .. diamond.. bye bye pekka.. what a shitty one that was

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the worst one ever for me.. lasted like what.. 2 minutes? Freaking bad beat from the get go.. I had the nuts, two aces.. everyone starts conservatively as usual, and then two dudes goes all-in.. no flop yet seen.. well I have nuts.. I'm thinking I should hold on for a moment to get some sweat on, but then again I have the nuts, and thinkign the only right move is to move in, since .. well I got the nuts. What happens? No one has **** but me, and the flop comes. 3 diamonds.. I'm like damn.. I have no diamonds at all..turn .. diamond.. bye bye pekka.. what a shitty one that was


That sucks. That's always what happens to me. Whenever I get get AKs or KQs or KK the flop gives me nothing and then the rest of the cards come to form a flush or a straight for somebody else.

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KH, if you're not only flabbing your gums, why don't you gimme some insights.. want to be my mentor? I'm in need for money and I have mathematical talents, and I have an eye for odds. I only have one strategy, which is conservative style, but I'd like to learn more hold'em.. strategies. Suitable for online games. I will cut you a deal if it works out for me as well. Say.. up to my first 10 000, I give you 10%? I give you my word of honour, and promise to study your strategy and be a good student. What do you say?

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bfg900, yeah I know.. I'm known to lay down monsters but.. when I have AA's in the pocket from the get go and everyone is raising like there is no tomorrow.. I have difficulties not going with it. I know most of them don't have anything, and I do realize often times with these kind of players (bad players) you get bad beats and that's it.. you're gone.. and it sucks..

but it was not played well on my part.. I mean.. I could have waited a bit more and not go to the first good one. Then again, it was the starting of the tourney, so I could have cashed off with the newbies flying out with their all-ins from the first hands. You know, be the chip leader early on and cool down.. just one time.. with the nuts.. multiply my stack at least x 7. I should have not go with it obviously but it .. well sucks.

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But Pekka-- your play was correct-- If I'm sitting there with AA, of course you are going to stay in on bets even big bets preflop. How can you not call an "all-in" preflop if you are sitting there with AA ?? The odds are totally in your favor. The fact that you lost-- just poor dumb luck.

Some shmo may flop to a full house but that still doesn't mean its a good idea to play a 2-7 offsuit.

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gambling is bad

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quote:
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KH, if you're not only flabbing your gums, why don't you gimme some insights.. want to be my mentor? I'm in need for money and I have mathematical talents, and I have an eye for odds. I only have one strategy, which is conservative style, but I'd like to learn more hold'em.. strategies. Suitable for online games. I will cut you a deal if it works out for me as well. Say.. up to my first 10 000, I give you 10%? I give you my word of honour, and promise to study your strategy and be a good student. What do you say?


I already wrote out a very long post detailing my basic strategy about 6 months ago.

Do a search for it.

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KQs


How the **** can you mention KQs in the same sentence with AA, KK and AKs?

KQ is probably the worst-played hand in existence (with the possible exception of JJ)

KQs IS NOT A GREAT HAND

IT CAN BE UTTERLY DESTROYED BY:

AA
KK
QQ
AK
AQ

IT DOES NOT DOMINATE ANY REASONABLE HAND YOUR OPPONENT COULD BE PLAYING WITH IF THERE'S HEAVY ACTION PREFLOP

At best you're a coinflip. Likely you're 3-2 (your opponent has an ace with a kicker smaller than a Q). Quite possible to be 3-1 or worse.

Where's the upside?

I fold KQs to any large raise

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KH, can't find it.. I'm not sure if this communist board lets me search OTF anymore, since I didn't pay thousands of dollars just to be elite in a discussion board. Wrongness!

You wouldn't happen to .. or remember who started the thread.. ?

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KQ is probably the worst-played hand in existence (with the possible exception of JJ)

KQs IS NOT A GREAT HAND


While everything you say is true... it really depends on how many people are left in the game. As the number of players decrease, the strength of KQ increases

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Especially suited.

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I just named the stakes, son.

I have 2 200+ entrant tournament wins out of 10 entered and over 10 000$ of profit on 100$ initial bankroll...

Oh, and that's real money, not play stuff...


Wait... did you win that online or offline?

How much time did it take to win that amount of money?

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good odds or not, I don't like deuces in the pocket, I throw them away usually pre-flop.. of course, depends on the number of players but if full table, I won't go with them, ever, unless I'm out of bullets and I really need to build my stack in the next few hands or I'm gone.

I don't like one ace, if it's coupled with anything else than value card. And even then it's sometimes a stretch.

I don't like Jacks. My favourite is QQ, KK or AA.

But even with my favourites, I like to slow play. This of course isn't the same with good players, but with most players it works. Get them on it. Go heavy and see everyone drop their cards, but in most online games, you slow play and even check in between, and if you have excellent cards, you're likely going all-in against at least two players. If you're in the right table of course . Slow play always works there, but like said, with good players, it's a different story. But with these normal visitors, you can't buy the pot, so that's a huge risk, never try, I have tried it and never again online There's always some Jonathan, Jacob or GIMMEYOMONEY943 who will go with nothing on you and win it.

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While everything you say is true... it really depends on how many people are left in the game. As the number of players decrease, the strength of KQ increases


That's true of all hands, and the likelihood that you're facing a monster decreases with the number of hands dealt. There's still no reason to classify KQs in the same league as the actual big starting hands. If you're consistently winning money playing KQs for big raises preflop against more than 5 opponents then your opponents are huge morons.

Shorthanded is radically different. I bet far more aggressively, bluff a lot more etc.

All in all it's a much more dangerous game.

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Wait... did you win that online or offline?

How much time did it take to win that amount of money?


250 hours of play, give or take.

 
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