15-08-2005 18:07									#1
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After a good roll of fortune and happy feelings I finally hit something stupid. I'm not sure if this is bad or not, but maybe it won't cost me anything much.

Basically on my way to work, the car 'lost all power'. It didn't accelerate properly, and it made this weird sound, as if something was going to another beat a little. It felt like I had me handbreak on.

When I was waiting in lights, I noticed the car shakes VERY much. Like a massage. When I pushed the clutch down and gave some throttle, it started sounding and feeling normal, but when I hit the gear on, .... no power, shaking a bit in low speeds.. as if I was driving with 2 gears too high.

I don't know what's wrong with it. What do you guys think? Other than that it was OK, but this is not OK.

	15-08-2005 18:32									#2
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ONE possibility is trash in the fuel. Fuel filter now clogged up.

	15-08-2005 18:34									#3
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True, possible.. I forgot to mention, that when I got off from work, it started up OK, and felt fine, like normal, but then after maybe 10 minutes the same thing started again. I would assume if I was to start the car now, it would go just fine, but after 10-15 minutes, the same problems would start.

	15-08-2005 18:36									#4
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Sounds like a fuel problem to me too. An old car I used to have had it's oxygen control go kaput, so I wasn't getting the right mix during combustion. Similar symptoms to what you describe.

	15-08-2005 18:36									#5
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Is the same problem occurring in all five/six gears?

	15-08-2005 18:39									#6
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could also be the spark plugs, or the carburator.

I have two problems with the car these days:
a) The thermostat is probably toast - the radiator is stuck at a short cycle, and the engine overheats rather easily.
b) Whenever I don't use the car for some time, it doesn't start easily, and I have to press the gas pedal simultaneously as I start it. It also works very poorly, as if it is running out of fuel - but that's just in the beginning, like in the morning, after it wasn't used all night. It quickly loses that problem.

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Yes. All gears. But the power problem becomes more evident the higher we go. With first gear, it accelerates almost OK, but the higher we go, the worse the acceleration gets. It's a car that accelerates good, so all the power seems to be gone, to the extent that it's truly a problem, meaning I can't go pass anyone, plus the shaking with low speeds, plus the general feeling of stucky and all that makes it uncomfortable. Maybe nothing is broke, but somethng is not working as it is supposed to work.

	15-08-2005 18:40									#8
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Az, my dad knows a lot about cars, I mean he can fix anything so we never have to go to them mechanics ever, and he first said it might be the plugs.

	15-08-2005 18:41									#9
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I mean he said it can be so many things, but first the plugs came to mind.

	15-08-2005 18:43									#10
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defintily a problem with the fuel, porbably fuel injection system. sounds like what happened to my truck when the fuel injection system failed and flooded my converter.

	15-08-2005 18:43									#11
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quote: Az, my dad knows a lot about cars, I mean he can fix anything so we never have to go to them mechanics ever, and he first said it might be the plugs.

But I sort of think that it's a fuel supply/mixture problem, since it's sorta more prevalent at higher gears, and the shaking sounds correct, also.

	15-08-2005 18:44									#12
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The second thing he said that it might be the injectors.. jeesh, you guys know about cars? You see, I don't even know what we are talking about really.

I'm such a dumbass. I just drive the damn thing

	15-08-2005 18:51									#13
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Fuel injection needs periodic attention anyway.
The jets do get gummy.

So try this. Take out plugs and clean off any corrosion.
Doesn't help, check into getting some additive to clean injection system.
Still running like a *****, start thinking fuel filter.
Go from simpler to harder.

	15-08-2005 18:52									#14
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the only things I know about cars are those things that have broken on me and I have had to have fixed

	15-08-2005 18:53									#15
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quote: originally posted by Pekka The second thing he said that it might be the injectors..

quote: originally posted by Az But I sort of think that it's a fuel supply/mixture problem

I thought it's an old carburateur car, but it's with injection, so yes, sounds plausible.

Damn, I guess I do know a thing or two ( sad personal experience )

quote: I'm such a dumbass. I just drive the damn thing

Don't feel bad, you learn by your car experiencing trouble. I've learned a ton! ( that and I have many friends that are mechanics in the army )

	15-08-2005 18:55									#16
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Btw, thanks for making this thread, and reminding me to get and install a new thermostat.

( Pro'lly have to wipe this one clean first. and pray some, too, just in case )

	15-08-2005 18:57									#17
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Az, what's even more stupid is that I do know a lot about bikes.. I've had motorcycle and give me one of those, I'll sort it out in no time. At least the problem and what it is. With cars, similiar things.. I go to stupid mode.

Sloww, I think that's a solid advice I need to try first.. I think I can do the simple things, so I just might as well try them out first.

Az, yes, injection.

Also it seems like with higher gears the turbo won't even go, while with lower gears it does, because it hits the rounds better but with higher gears, fat chance. Just all power.. gone.

	15-08-2005 18:58									#18
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I also wanted to add that these things are needed periodically anyway.

As far as the plugs, people change them more frequently than actually required.
Many times cleaning is all that's needed.

	15-08-2005 19:00									#19
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Sloww, you're the most knowledgeable between us on the issue, could you help me with my problem?

quote: b) Whenever I don't use the car for some time, it doesn't start easily, and I have to press the gas pedal simultaneously as I start it. It also works very poorly, as if it is running out of fuel - but that's just in the beginning, like in the morning, after it wasn't used all night. It quickly loses that problem.

It's an oldschool carburateur gasoline car ( with a stick gearbox, not that it matters in this case, really ) . no turbo, no supercharging no nothing.

	15-08-2005 19:03									#20
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pekka driving a car... yup that's a problem

	15-08-2005 19:04									#21
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Sava, what do you mean?

Anyway thanks for the advices and opinions, I think you guys have already got the right problem, now I just need to learn which one it is. Thanks once again.

	15-08-2005 19:16									#22
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Az, yours could be the (oh Hell, grey moment) butterfly sticking on carb.

	15-08-2005 19:21									#23
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butterfly?

	15-08-2005 19:33									#24
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Oh yeah baby, butterfly carbs, hanging at the burger joint, flirting with high school chicks in my leather jacket and shooting glasses with a "my-first-mustache"... oh, the good ol' days

	15-08-2005 19:38									#25
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I still don't know wtf are you guys talking about.

	15-08-2005 19:44									#26
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On the carb is a "butterfly" valve right on top.
It toggles.

	15-08-2005 19:45									#27
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Ah, yes. What about it?

	15-08-2005 19:53									#28
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It can stick. Needs to toggle.