15-08-2005 19:30									#1
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If one utilizes enough unit fodder and saves his best unit to attack last...might take awhile but

could one get all the promtions?

	15-08-2005 19:31									#2
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I thought you had to buy promotions for units with gold.

now i'm confused

	15-08-2005 20:29									#3
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No, units receive them by winning enough battles.

	15-08-2005 21:55									#4
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It would be more expensive to use your weak units first. The best strategy in the long run is to use the strongest units first. It's mathematically provable. The cannon fodder strategy only works in situations where the units are substantially cheaper to build and/or maintain, which is generally not the case in Civ.

	15-08-2005 23:47									#5
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Exactly - think about it, your unit with several promotions is more powerful. Now, do you really want to use it on a very weak enemy unit, and simply waste some units as cannon fodder, just to get that promotion? Probably not. It would be wise not to risk experienced units too much, but generally, it's better to use your strongest units first.

	15-08-2005 23:48									#6
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I suppose you wouldnt want to use your experienced units on suicide missions, but what good would an experienced unit be if he just sat around looking pretty?

	16-08-2005 03:39									#7
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lets say you best stack is missing fighting in forest...

would you go out of your way to earn it

	16-08-2005 04:23									#8
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My recollection is that units are more likely to get promoted in a difficult fight (however that is defined). Makes manipulation of events for the sake of promotions problematic.

I have no objection to this at all! Less certainty -- more randomness/mystery/role-playing!

	16-08-2005 13:36									#9
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There is going to be so many variables.

	18-08-2005 01:44									#10
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my other thought on promotions

do they survive upgrades?

	20-08-2005 06:00									#11
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units shouldnt survive upgrade
promotion should be given to units surviving "heroic" battles, not just winning battles against weak players (pc) or endlessly being used to finish off almost-dead units (human)

	20-08-2005 15:26									#12
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I just turned down the chance to be promoted in favour of going abroad.

	20-08-2005 19:27									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex my other thought on promotions do they survive upgrades?

I sure hope they do, otherwise there's not much point in it since a unit often only get into a few fights before it's time to upgrade the unit (I guess)

	20-08-2005 20:22									#14
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why? usually you don´t have the same units for 1000 years

	20-08-2005 20:28									#15
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That's why you upgrade them, perhaps?

	20-08-2005 20:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit why? usually you don´t have the same units for 1000 years

Actually you often do have the same units for a long time

	20-08-2005 23:11									#17
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I mean in the real world

	20-08-2005 23:53									#18
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Well, in the real world they're called regiments, brigades, companies and such... which can have a longer lifetime if it's hosting 'empire' exists long enough.

	21-08-2005 00:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit I mean in the real world

Real World?

What's that?, sounds like a scary place



Who cares about the real world? If Civ was to be realistic there wouldn't be units as it is now..

	21-08-2005 00:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio Real World? What's that?, sounds like a scary place

And boring, too

	21-08-2005 02:11									#21
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only because you cannot use ICBMs in the real world it doesnt mean it´s boring

	21-08-2005 05:15									#22
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think of it as a legacy of specialized training

Green Berrets, Delta Force , SEAL's

its never the same group of pepole, just specialized training

	21-08-2005 05:33									#23
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indeed

	25-08-2005 19:26									#24
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so what would you do if you spent all your cannon fodder to promote your unit, you are happy, and he dies the next turn since he was the only unit left because all the cannon fodder was gone?

	26-08-2005 00:29									#25
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I always leave a guard

	01-09-2005 10:12									#26
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I wonder if promotional bonuses are stackable? Like you could get city raider bonus and forest bonus on one unit...

Also I wonder would you be able to see whether if your enemy's unit have a bonus or not? Personally I prefer it that you cannot see their bonus unless you had a sucessful spy action or whatever they plan to implement into the game.

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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus I wonder if promotional bonuses are stackable? Like you could get city raider bonus and forest bonus on one unit...

Problematic. What happens if we go too far? Will we have some kind of super-unit? I don't like it, it's not civ.

quote: Also I wonder would you be able to see whether if your enemy's unit have a bonus or not? Personally I prefer it that you cannot see their bonus unless you had a sucessful spy action or whatever they plan to implement into the game.

I prefer it that you can see the skills of your enemy.
IMHO, this spy thing could work if we have some kind of (optional, please! ) micro-management on warfare. I've read something about MM being a choice in public works, but nothing about combat or something like that.

	01-09-2005 21:58									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Problematic. What happens if we go too far? Will we have some kind of super-unit? I don't like it, it's not civ.

That is easily addressed by making each successive promotion harder to get. Your first promotion might come after the first victory, the second promotion after the third victory, the third promotion after the seventh victory, the fourth after the 15th victory, etc. ad infinitum. It would be effectively possible for a unit to get every single promotion under that scheme, as it would have to win something like a trillion battles to get all 40. I'd be surprised if they weren't already doing something like this.

	01-09-2005 22:05									#29
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That's better. I trust Firaxis...

	01-09-2005 23:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by sophist That is easily addressed by making each successive promotion harder to get. Your first promotion might come after the first victory, the second promotion after the third victory, the third promotion after the seventh victory, the fourth after the 15th victory, etc. ad infinitum. It would be effectively possible for a unit to get every single promotion under that scheme, as it would have to win something like a trillion battles to get all 40. I'd be surprised if they weren't already doing something like this.

This is still possibly problematic, if promotions are preserved with upgrades. A unit that's been upgraded from a 4000 BC warrior shouldn't be invincible in 2000 AD. Perhaps upgrades should lead to "demotions"?