15-08-2005 23:54									#1
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Short form of report for 1100, before I go into long:

We have signed a one-turn cease fire with BOH, with the interests of extending it into lasting peace. I have been negotiating, mostly today, with Paddy, and decided we needed to sign this *this turn* without time to discuss, as it saves us from abandoning one town (out of 3 left!).

See the BoH thread for more details.

1100BC turn:
* Stack consolidated in AbbA. Units will regain HPs next turn.
* DR is still over in the area near Nirvana - pic attached. Paddy has indicated this is the entire DR force.
* BoH is occupying land one turn out of our cultural territory (see pic). They agreed to stay there (or consolidate backwards/sideways, not towards us).
* BoH is one square out of Rolling Stones. This was the hardest part for me, deciding to leave it there for a turn as they could capture it and betray us again; but realistically it is our only hope for long-term survival. This game is not going in such a way that is likely to suggest an emigration will succeed to any meaningful extent ... BoH anyway has agreed not to capture it (and will likely back off a square). I likewise agreed not to reinforce it (wow, that was hard to agree to or to pillage/raze)... but it's size 1 anyway, so they'd just get some gold out of us, and at this point i'm not sure how much I care about gold.
* Rolling Stones produced an archer, and it headed towards AbbA.
* Beach Boys produced a spearman, and I used it to scout DR a bit - nothing shocking here, just checking on their position. It's somewhat vulnerable, but it's only really vulnerable to a single horseman, and that's across a river so they would be at a disadvantage attacking it. I decided it was worth it to spy the stack.

Check the screenshots for more details.

Plans for 1075 bc:

* ASSUMING BOH CEASE-FIRE OR PEACE
Based on where DR goes, either reinforce AbbA or reinforce Beach Boys. I really don't want to give up Beach Boys if we can avoid it, but it may be necessary - but if they go all-out to BB, it's as defensible as AbbA ...

* ASSUMING BoH WAR
We will probably abandon BB and RS and focus on AbbA. If this is the case, we WILL lose, no doubt, but we can take some BoH/DR troops with us.

Input? Mostly I hope to see input in the BoH thread. Also, is it worth defending BB if DR seems to go headlong for it, and does anyone disagree that it's worth it to build a boat and a settler to run far far away?

Attachment: 1100 bc dr stack.jpg
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	15-08-2005 23:55									#2
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The specifics of that stack ... same as last time.

Attachment: 1100 bc dr stack 2.jpg
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	17-08-2005 23:05									#3
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Replay comments:

DR changed their move this time. I may lodge an objection, as they may have been attempting to view our city the first time. They changed the horseman who's now on the hill to not being on the hill (presumably in the stack)...

Edit:

We have to decide whether to abandon Beach Boys or defend it with all of our might (or temporize for ONE turn by putting 2 spears in it, enough to likely defend against the possible 2 horses).

It's sadly across a river from AbbA, so though it's reachable in 1 turn, it's 2 turns going to AbbA.

If we abandon it ...
* we must raise lux to 50%, due to no furs
* we lose 6gpt, on 0/50/50 (no science), due to unit support
* we are down to 2 cities ...

If we defend it ...
* we risk AbbA, if DR makes *exactly* the right moves, in such a way in that they would force us to attack across a river
* BUT, we'd attack on plains across a river, instead of on hills?
* BB is also on a hill, so equivalent to defending AbbA there.
* We get 1 turn (possibly 2, if they don't have engineering) to see whether they attack BB or AbbA.

IFF BoH reaches peace with us ... then I think we can defend BB, personally, and would prefer to do that.

If not ... we must abandon BB and prepare for one last stand...

Last edited by snoopy369 on 17-08-2005 at 23:21

	18-08-2005 01:24									#4
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some tough choices there

will BOH capture Sidon Phoenix and gift it back to us?

cant hurt to ask

lets plan for the worse

	18-08-2005 11:02									#5
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We're not nearly that far along yet. We still haven't agreed on a peace treaty (Plato has been AWOL every time I try to talk to him)...

	19-08-2005 00:56									#6
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Finally got to read through some material. From this report here I'd say go with your gut feeling. We haven't really anything to lose.
DR can't see/know we're moving our army from A(bbA) to B(B). If they take the chance to move towards AbbA, we might lose AbbA and remain left with BB, which will become our new capital and has a lux. whatever...
However I think DR will move in on BB (onto the hill). I have announced we will go out in a bang and take as many of their forces before we abandon. That's going to be a hard case when they move onto the hill. For that matter it seems that defending AbbA has the best perspective in going for the damage dealing.

I'm ok with whatever you decide...

	19-08-2005 01:19									#7
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quote: Originally posted by McMeadows I'm ok with whatever you decide...

roger that

	20-08-2005 09:26									#8
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I concur....but having a settler on a boat floating around would be a nice security blanket....

	20-08-2005 20:45									#9
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I went with defending Beach Boys. Too much to lose otherwise

I have no interest in playing a civ that consists of a single settler. If you all want that, go ahead, but it will be without me ... this game is not in any way similar to PTWDG, particularly due to the Pangea, and small land mass...

	21-08-2005 05:17									#10
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I will just lurk around if all else fails