16-08-2005 08:51									#31
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speer: my advice is to throw a molotov cocktail thru the window

	16-08-2005 08:53									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sava speer: my advice is to throw a molotov cocktail thru the window

Holy **** yeah then at least hed have a place to sleep while he is unemployed

	16-08-2005 08:56									#33
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it doesn't matter. Pennsylvania is an employment-at-will state. Checkers is a fast food place. business students top of the pile? for what? teasing us with management? no one wants to hire college students because of our inflexible schedules. i was constantly rejected for jobs because they said they needed full-time people to work any time they needed them, not on certain days and times only.

	16-08-2005 08:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i won't get unemployment. I've only been working there for 8 months.

8 months is usually long enough to get unemployment. Even in a right-to-work state you can get unemployment right away for a wrongful termination (it just wont be much).

I wouldn't worry much if I were you, as I assume you didn't have anything to do with this. If they do wind up firing you, make sure you ask precisely what they are firing you for. Chances are it will be something other than the mugging, since they have no concrete evidence. If they're dumb enough to say it was for theft, go to the EEOC and sue their asses into next year. Otherwise be content with unemployment while job-hunting.

Most likely they wont fire you now but if they think you did it they'll start to build a file on you, and fire you as soon as they have enough minor incidences to make them safe legally.

	16-08-2005 09:01									#35
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If they threaten to fire you, you can threaten to sue them, and then they'd back off. If no one here knows waht right-to-work means then no one there does either.

	16-08-2005 09:13									#36
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quote: No you cannot be fired without reason.

Um... yes you can. It happens every damn day and I've dealt with people who have gotten fired for no reason (or at least a non-disclosed reason).

	16-08-2005 09:15									#37
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Thank u theben thats what i was gonna say
Wig laf i live in a right to work state. They can fire u for the color of ur shirt but they will have to pay unemployment if they did so was what imeant

	16-08-2005 09:17									#38
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right to work state means the employer doesnt need a good reson to fire you . they can do so and if the state finds its no fault of yours they will have to pay u unemployment

	16-08-2005 09:46									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf If they threaten to fire you, you can threaten to sue them, and then they'd back off. If no one here knows waht right-to-work means then no one there does either.

No, they won't. When people I fired threatened to sue me I told them "Go ahead." OF course I only fired people after I had enough counseling forms in their file, or they had done something bad enough to warrant immediate termination.

	16-08-2005 10:02									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer DanS: quote: Originally posted by DanS How would the manager know he was set up by somebody inside? he just made it up to cover his ass... made up the story about the phone call cause it was probable that somebody would have used the phone

Yes, but how would the manager have had any way of knowing he was mugged because of a phone call? I suggest you alert the ones in charge to this highly implausible part of his story.

	16-08-2005 10:22									#41
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Yeah, Albert...I am the suspiscious type but you sound a lot like you may be the fool in a setup.

	16-08-2005 10:31									#42
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I am even more suspicious, I don't believe any of this.

How on earth could the manager, after being mugged, tell the boss "The muggers got a call from the store and knew where I was and what I was wearing" - without the boss asking "Oh yeah, how do you know?".

Either we aren't getting the whole story, or this is a tale from lollipop land.

	16-08-2005 10:48									#43
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Yup.

	16-08-2005 12:11									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: No you cannot be fired without reason. Um... yes you can. It happens every damn day and I've dealt with people who have gotten fired for no reason (or at least a non-disclosed reason).

While technically true, it opens up the doors for a wrongful termination suit big time.

	16-08-2005 13:33									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski is the state you work in a right to work state?? If so they can fire you for anything but that doesnt mean they wont have to pay unemployment. They have to prove ur call was unrelated to this guys lies. and if they fire u and u get it proved then hello unemployment.

Word. Never mind if this is the USA or not. What matters is your status on the job. If you were still on probation, you're probably screwed. Most states I know of can fire people on the spot on probation and make up some excuse later of why you were terminated.

(I work in Honolulu's law firm...if you want, I can ask some attorney's here.)

But, Hawaii laws are going to be a hell of a lot different than Pennysville.

What you should be more worried about is whether or not you can be going to court. But, again, I'd tell the investigators once you go in to questioning to check the stores phone records. Cross reference them with whomever you spoke to and give them that persons address as well. Legally, anything goes. Don't listen to anyone here unless they know PA law.

I really hope you weren't on probation man...that's a big thing.

	16-08-2005 20:03									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander While technically true, it opens up the doors for a wrongful termination suit big time.

90%+ don't sue. It's worth the risk to them, because it'll probably cost more to sue than you'll make in salary that year.

That, and they'll just come up with something later, which the courts usually buy.

	16-08-2005 20:43									#47
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I'm not sure it would be great working for someone who accuses you of assisting in robbing the store, even if you don't get fired...

	16-08-2005 21:16									#48
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Speer - try get a job on-campus.

	16-08-2005 22:34									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I'm not sure it would be great working for someone who accuses you of assisting in robbing the store, even if you don't get fired...

Of course, that's assuming that the manager won't get fired himself. The manager seems rather desperate.

Speer needs to keep his cool.

	17-08-2005 00:30									#50
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well as has been said, in a non-union environment you can always get fired for pretty much anything Reinstatement is not a remedy you can claim (nor would most people want).

IN Canada, I believe the rules are similar in every province. You are entitled to notice on termination unless terminated "for cause" (or if you had a term employment to begin with). The statutory notice period is low (two weeks or a month) but the common law would bump that significantly for longer term employees. I don't know what the rules are in PA but in Canada you would probably be able to be fired without any just casue if they gave you a month's pay in lieu of notice.

As for the police, when you ARE totally innocent, it is best to co-operate fully. They should be able to clear you.

	17-08-2005 00:38									#51
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Can't companies just fire you for "failure to meet expectations?"

	17-08-2005 00:39									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber As for the police, when you ARE totally innocent, it is best to co-operate fully. They should be able to clear you.

Sure, if you are a white man, and a leader in the community.

	17-08-2005 13:47									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Can't companies just fire you for "failure to meet expectations?"

quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Sure, if you are a white man, and a leader in the community.

	17-08-2005 14:19									#54
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Brilliant.

	17-08-2005 16:00									#55
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quote: i was constantly rejected for jobs because they said they needed full-time people to work any time they needed them, not on certain days and times only.

If you can stand the schedule, try looking for night work. Pay is usually higher. Work 9PM-5AM, schedule classes in the AM, sleep the afternoon.

	17-08-2005 16:51									#56
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In the UK if you are unfairly dismissed you can ask for reinsatement. Unfairness can be due to sex, race, or constructive dismissal( i.e you resign following bullying).

If you are wronfully dismissed (i.e they just get the procedures wrong) you can only get money