16-08-2005 06:12									#1
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I work at a Checkers. Every morning, the opening manager has to deposit last night's sales at the bank. Because none of the managers have cars, everyone has to take the bus, usually wearing plain clothes.

today, someone was robbed en route. Because the last manager who was robbed two months ago was fired, this manager attempted to cover his ass by claiming that he was set up... someone in the store, he claimed, called the muggers and told them where he was and what he was wearing.

I was in the store... and i did make a phone call while he was away, though obviously not to any muggers.

now i'm under investigation...

first of all, does a business even have the right to fire people for getting robbed if all the proper protocols were followed? Secondly, what are my rights in this situation? What should I do? If I am fired, what can I do? I live in Pennsylvania. Would I be able to sue for wrongful termination?


thank you.

	16-08-2005 06:19									#2
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They'll pull the phone records to see who you called if you're a serious suspect. They can then check to see who that person is, and whether they think they'd be involved in a robbery.

In many states, I don't know about PA, a person can be fired for any reason. You work at will. If they decide to fire someone for being robbed, while it may seem unfair, there ain't a lot you can do about it. These are so-called "right-to-work" states, typical Orwellian language.

	16-08-2005 06:21									#3
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Just tell them who you called and why... and then tell them to check the phone records to prove it.

And yeah, they can probably fire you without cause.

	16-08-2005 06:26									#4
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Hell, it's only Checkers. It's not like it's a real job.

	16-08-2005 06:27									#5
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Unionize!

	16-08-2005 06:28									#6
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Well, right now you have your basic constituional rights vs. unlawful search and ceasure when it ocmes to the investigation.

And the store can probably fire you at will.

	16-08-2005 06:29									#7
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quote: I was in the store... and i did make a phone call while he was away, though obviously not to any muggers.

How does he know you made a phone call while he was away? Did he already check call logs, or did you tell him, or was there a witness?

	16-08-2005 06:32									#8
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if you can prove to your boss that the call you made was innocent then doing that is a good idea, for example if it was to a mobile then the call would show up in the call register of that phone, or getting them to check their phone records, but this may be hard to do (conclusively at least) and they may not believe you.

the most important questions you should ask yourself are, do i want to work somewhere that treats people like that? and where people will think i'm basically a low-down criminal? the answer should probably be NO, but it's your call.

my advice to you in this situation would be to make sure you have some evidence (at least the person you called verifying that it was them you called) and then tell them to stick their job where the sun don't shine.

	16-08-2005 06:33									#9
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yeah right... i've been trying to get a better job forever... when i lost my last job, I was unemployed for 4 months and was rejected by every place. That checkers was the only one to hire me and that only because i knew someone who worked there and vouched for me. I won't be able to survive if I lose this job...

it's crazy though... i went through their management training program twice (i've only worked there for 8 months! i was in training for three of those months) but was never given a raise/promotion... both times I was nearly certified and they promoted someone else. but getting $5.50 in the most dead-end job in america seems like the only opportunity out there for a business student.

	16-08-2005 06:34									#10
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mrmitchell:

quote: How does he know you made a phone call while he was away? Did he already check call logs, or did you tell him, or was there a witness?

he guessed... tried a probable thing to cover his ass so he won't get fired. there was absolutely no way for him to know anyone made a phone call. it's just a fairly likely occurance.

	16-08-2005 06:36									#11
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so do people know you actually made a phone call?

	16-08-2005 06:37									#12
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yes. I said I did and they checked the cameras and saw me talking on the phone.

	16-08-2005 06:40									#13
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then see my first post

	16-08-2005 06:43									#14
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cockney:

yeah... the person i called confirmed and they're checking the phone logs... nevertheless, I don't have a good feeling about this... they may want someone to blame.

	16-08-2005 07:14									#15
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dude, you robbed your boss? that's cold

	16-08-2005 07:35									#16
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I won't tell if you give me a cut.

	16-08-2005 07:43									#17
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How do you know the manager didn't set up the mugging?

	16-08-2005 07:50									#18
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Join the CPA. You're ****ed otherwise.

	16-08-2005 07:51									#19
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My guess is he'd be even more ****ed if they found out he was a Communist.

	16-08-2005 07:53									#20
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You don't tell people silly. Do you tell your job you are a YR activist?

	16-08-2005 07:56									#21
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is the state you work in a right to work state??

If so they can fire you for anything but that doesnt mean they wont have to pay unemployment. They have to prove ur call was unrelated to this guys lies. and if they fire u and u get it proved then hello unemployment.

	16-08-2005 08:02									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You don't tell people silly. Do you tell your job you are a YR activist?

I think that is his job.

	16-08-2005 08:04									#23
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How would the manager know he was set up by somebody inside?

This sounds like it's out of your hands.

	16-08-2005 08:06									#24
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Heh, this is the same sort of thing that happened to my Boyfriend. His trial begins this friday the 19th. Good Luck Speer, these people can be bastards! Remember, they don't care if you did it, so long as they have someone who they can say did it. The truth is not important to them.

	16-08-2005 08:08									#25
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	16-08-2005 08:11									#26
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I am saying if what albert is saying and can prove he had nothing to do with this unemployment is right behind him

	16-08-2005 08:12									#27
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Too bad unemployment sucks. Hopefully he'll get another job right away.

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i won't get unemployment. I've only been working there for 8 months.

	16-08-2005 08:42									#29
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DanS:

quote: How would the manager know he was set up by somebody inside?

he just made it up to cover his ass... made up the story about the phone call cause it was probable that somebody would have used the phone

	16-08-2005 08:49									#30
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No you cannot be fired without reason. People need to learn what Right-to-work means. This is the god damn USA.

http://phoenix.about.com/cs/empl/a/righttowork.htm

Furthermore what is Checkers? It seems minimum wage, aren't there any McDonalds or anything? I'd think business students are top of the pile. You could even come work with me, I am making out quite well politically, no doubt about that.

Whatever you do, my legal advise is to not kill anyone or set fire to the store. It's easy to get worked up and find yourself in real trouble, business man.