16-08-2005 08:26									#1
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Official F.A.M. Correspondence Thread


This thread is for posting any and all correspondence with other teams. This may be PMs, chat logs, e-mails or whatever medium by which it took place.

This is merely an archive, not a discussion thread, all posts which do not contain a piece of correspondence will be deleted. Discussion will be handled in each team's diplomacy thread or elsewhere.

	16-08-2005 08:27									#2
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Chat log with CivBrazil. Note that this is a merge of two separate chat logs becasue I got cut off in the middle for some wierd MSN bug. So if there's a small break in continuity, don't mind it.

quote: Wosret: hehehe, i think he didnt like my comments, hehehehe BigFree: haha BigFree: nah, MZ is the cool dude on our team Master Zen: got disconnected, wierd BigFree: the "rico Suave" if you will Master Zen: heh Wosret: hehehe Master Zen: I think our next conversations we should handle via IRC, it is much more stable Master Zen: for these kinds of things at least Wosret: how long u play civ guys? Wosret: =-\ i dont have IRC BigFree: Since Civ 1 for me and MasterZen Master Zen: wow. I've been playing Civ1 since circa 1993 Wosret: at really im very very noob in internet treaths Wosret: ive just played since civ II Master Zen: that's long enough to be an offical Civ addict Wosret: but, as i just begin in to the "net's" life when i went to universit BigFree was added to this conversation. Handwriting is no longer supported because not all participants can view handwritten messages. Handwritten messages will be sent as text. Wosret: and this is my mark to divide me as a Civ player Wosret: ive learning a lot whit people all around the world Renato has been added to the conversation. Master Zen: hello N35t0r, hello Renato N35t0r: hello MZ Wosret: hi all BigFree: Renato=Aro Aro: Please, I don't know how I could be Renato! Master Zen: ahhhh! Wosret: heheh Aro: Yep, BigFree... Tx! Master Zen: hahahaha BigFree: No problem BigFree: Aro: Ok, I'm a n00bie... Master Zen: so, shall we start or should we wait for more people? Wosret: im more Wosret: it seems ill be the only representant from my team Aro: Go ahead Wosret: no one is on by now Wosret: ok Master Zen: ok, well if more people show up we can add them Wosret: im oppening the game to see the real situation Master Zen: first of all, thanks to everyone for coming, as you all know by now, I'm Master Zen, Apolyton's Foreign Minister, Aro (Renato) is our official ambassador to Civ-Brazil, BigFree and N35t0r are all teammates here Wosret: Im wosret, the Foreing minister from Brazucas, and the brazuca people ate glad to have u, the Apolyton people as neighbourgs and friends Wosret: Master Zen: good, us too Aro: E podemos falar português! Wosret: ufa Aro: I mean, we can speak portuguese! Master Zen: believe it or not, I can unsderstand at least 50% of portuguese, it is so similar to spanish Aro: Yep N35t0r: yeah Wosret: hehehe Wosret: but if uy prefer i can chat in english Wosret: you* Aro: It's ok to me. Any doubts, we can talk in portuguese. Wosret: indeed Aro: Renato=aro Wosret: ^^ Master Zen: yes, we'd prefer enlish, if there's a language problem you an Aro can clear it up in portuguese Aro: Wosret: we will, misunderstood is the last thing we want Wosret: hehehe Aro: hehehe Wosret: well, the brazucas people are very interested in make our friendship grow strong Master Zen: I believe Aro set up an agenda for this chat, things to discuss, if so that would be a good way to start Wosret: what you think about the game, will this be an map whit 3 island whit 2 civs in each ou 2 island whit 3 civs in each Aro: Ok, I'm Aro again... Master Zen: well if there are continents, I think it will be 2 islands of 3 civs Wosret: we think the same Wosret: and this make we wonder a lot about how the game will develop Master Zen: what I wonder is whether the 3 teams will be accesible to each other or if it will be a sort of "sandwich" Wosret: indeed, the position of the civs may lead diferents point os view Wosret: so aro, if u have some pre build question u may begin Master Zen: we'll just have to see Master Zen: well I have basically one point I really want to bring up, then a secondary one, and after that you can share with us any of your concerns Master Zen: ok Master Zen: first thing, this game has only just begun, and we have a big continent ahead of us to explore BigFree: yeah BigFree: but I figure they have explored more than us since we went worker first The above, in RED, was said in a private channel to MZ and Aro and not to CBR. MZ must have copied things from both chat windows by mistake. Aro: The possibility of trading screenshots Wosret: is this alowed? Aro: Yes, it is. Aro: An amendment, or a new law Wosret: i really dont remember the new rules, but, the last game only whit the tech BigFree: Once contact is made, screen shots can be traded as per a UN vote on the subject. Wosret: indeed Aro: I can confirm, but I'm pretty sure Aro: Btw, how didi you get Ceremonial Burial? Wosret: i think it is good, but to make this i must send this propouse to the public opinion first.. democracy Aro: I agree Master Zen: same as us Aro: Wosret: *about the CB, it was a hut Master Zen: lucky Wosret: but have recently traveling, and when i back the game has been started BigFree: nice find Master Zen: I have one thing I want to address Wosret: about the screens, is this an oficial propouse? Master Zen: no Master Zen: we must discuss it first, but we would like your team to do so too Master Zen: then maybe next chat we can make it "official" Wosret: ok BigFree: See, the diplomats are the smartest people on either team, so, it's up to you guys to make the suggestions to the teams about such things as trading screen shots. Wosret: indeed, good point Aro: We'll do the same. Master Zen: or so they say.... Wosret: ill take this to brazucas people Wosret: and, about tech exchange, what do u think ? BigFree: The best part of these games is the diplomacy. Wosret: i agree u man Aro: Agreed Master Zen: that is another possibility we are looking forward to, tech trades Wosret: i say all techs we have more than u is CB and Alphabet Wosret: btw, how u know we habe cb? Wosret: have* Master Zen: via the diplomacy screen I presume BigFree: We can check tech costs Master Zen: err, this isn't SP Master Zen: lol BigFree: when another Civ has a tech it becomes cheaper to discover Wosret: it is a think i have to learn yet Master Zen: I haven't played a PBEM since the PTWDG was over... Wosret: PTW ..DG? what does it means? Master Zen: it was another demogame in Apolyton Wosret: understand Master Zen: ok, one thing I want to add Master Zen: given that both of us are in a hurry to explore our continent, I think it would only be fair if we granted each other full exploration rights Master Zen: with a limiation of say, not moving closer than 1 tile from our respective borders Wosret: what exactly do u mean about "full "? Wosret: 1 tile is good Wosret: i tile far* BigFree: Ok, I have to leave for dinner. Nice to meet you Rodrigo. I hope we can chat another time soon. Master Zen: well, in other demogames we've had the bad experience of some civs trying to prevent others from exploring what they claim as "their land" yet at the same time expecting the other to allow them to explore Wosret: me too Master Zen: cya BF Wosret: i very glad to know u all Aro: Same here! Aro: Beleza te conhecer... Aro: teclas de onde? Wosret: Wosret: de MS Aro: Eu tou no Rio Master Zen: it generally leads to problems which is why it is easier if we just allowed the other to expore freely Aro: MS! Wosret: rio eh fera Aro: Um colega de profissão é de MS Wosret: indeed, or, if we trade map explrations wont be necessary ^^ Wosret: i think Wosret: and, about the game yet Wosret: is there another thing u have in mind to talk about? Master Zen: ok so, in the meantime do you agree to allow free exploration? we have no problem with it Master Zen: if we see your borders will stay 1 tile away from them. If you see ours, the same Wosret: well Master Zen: then we can discuss screenshot tradeing with our respective teams Wosret: i was a lil afraid to set think without the know of the people Wosret: but Wosret: as it is rational Master Zen: if you want me or Aro can send you an official proposal with it so you guys can discuss it Wosret: i give my world, but i will take this to the but despite Wosret: it is better Master Zen: ok, we can agree to it "informally" in the meantime, then you guys can discuss it and then we can make it offical or not Aro: It's ok to me. Wosret: cause i think the people will accept, but if we dont ask.... hehe they take we as tirany hehehe Master Zen: I myslef don't really want to get into many agreements right now, I think this chat is mainly to get to know each other Aro: Understood... Wosret: its great Aro: Indeed a great first contact... Master Zen: and see what you guys are open for so then we can get into detail later Wosret: really Wosret: well Wosret: i must say Master Zen: I have1 more little question if you don't mind. Wosret: we are netherland, as it is intrinsic to our civ, we want peace, we want lots of exchance Wosret: ok Master Zen: how is your government structured? Wosret: we have a president, a vice, and the ministers Wosret: more details? Master Zen: if you wish Master Zen: ok. we have 3 consuls which are like presidents, and we have ministesr (war, foreign affairs, internal) Wosret: we are being more and more complex... Wosret: in this game Wosret: we have a tribunal, Wosret: and some specifical jobs Wosret: as the "mapman" hehehe Wosret: we try to do a rpg Master Zen: are your positions elected? Wosret: but, as the center of the civ we follow the constitution Master Zen: we have a constitution also Wosret: the positions that represente the people are elected Wosret: and about the ministers Wosret: we have an internal, a foreing, a scienc Wosret: and.. a Wosret: militar one was to forget Wosret: hehehe Aro: hehehehe Master Zen: are the minsters elected also, or just the president/vicepresident? Wosret: no we must be elected Aro: Same here Wosret: but, in the last election a few citzen wanted to be governments Wosret: so i didnt need to face another candidate Master Zen: well ours is a bit different, our consuls are elected for 3-month terms, but our ministers are somewhat "permanent", I believe the stay until someone asks for their removal. So, if I want to keep my job, I can't mess up Wosret: hehe cool Wosret: do u have many people? Master Zen: well "technically" we have like 80 members, but in reality I only see about 10-15 people active Wosret: it happens some here as well Wosret: but i dont have the numbers exactly Wosret: just to add the oficial conversation, what do u think about the technology trade? Master Zen: I definitely agree we should set up a tech trade soon Wosret: good Master Zen: I'm sure after this chat our people will want one, we'll probably be discussing this in the next day or two and if we agree we'll send you a proposal sometime this week Wosret: i will take all this to the people as well Wosret: now just wondering, "not oficial here just my opinion" Master Zen: sure Wosret: about the game, it is a non limits game, Wosret: and i was thinkin about two possibilits, have an entire continent, so lots of tiles and resouces, but it should take this civ to be backwards technologically, Wosret: or Wosret: have an 3 teamed civs working togheter, and be tech forwarded Wosret: it really make my head hot, because each possibility take to diferent, and imprevisible situations N35t0r: From my limited knowledge, it's better to have more civs, as corruption will kill you unless the continent is very small... N35t0r: Especially with the new FP rules... Wosret: indeed Wosret: about this final, do u think it will have an militar end or another? Master Zen: I don't really like to look so far ahead, who knows how many civs are in our continent and how big it is, or even how many resources it has. Who knows what the reaction of other civs might be. It's too early to tell Master Zen: What we're here for is to figure out the things which can be mutualy beneficial to the both of us, and take advantage of those Wosret: good words master Wosret: agreed, and just to remember it is only my personal questions Wosret: i dont want to be misunderstood Aro: N/P Master Zen: that is why we need good communication between us. You have me and Aro's mail, you guys are free to approach us about anything you want Wosret: thats the way i think, open doors Master Zen: Communication leads to trust. Silence leads to suspicion Aro: I couldn't agree more. Feel free to mail me any time. Wosret: aro, add me to msn, all you btw Master Zen: part of the reason Aro is your ambassador is so that the language barrier is not a problem. Master Zen: and of course because he's a damn good diplomat Aro: I'm looking for your e-mail... Wosret: hhehhe, u dont know how it make me feel better Wosret: hahaha Wosret: rrb3l@hotmail.com Aro: just a minute; N35t0r: Aro: right click on his name on the list to the left N35t0r: you should be able to add him from there directly Wosret: i cant do that hehehe N35t0r: hmm... my memory could be playing tricks on me, though... Wosret: maybe different versions Wosret: and im not the better person in this things heheh N35t0r: I'm using trillian here, not msn, let me invite my other account... BigFree was added to this conversation. Handwriting is no longer supported because not all participants can view handwritten messages. Handwritten messages will be sent as text. Master Zen: Menu > Actions > Add Contact N35t0r: now, if the window popped up... N35t0r: yeah, I was waiting for the chat window to pop-up N35t0r: ah, right Wosret: im very bad with pc hehehe, i just know how to play games... i mean, i try to play hehehe N35t0r: you need to go to 'actions' in the menu and choose 'add contact' N35t0r --- Ladies, Gentlemen, and Cannon Fodder. has left the conversation. Wosret: ive just added u Aro: Nice! N35t0r: you should add this adress though Wosret: i will Wosret: done Wosret: aro, so u are from rio, capital? Aro: I'm from BH, but I live in Rio for 20 years now. Wosret: is it easy to you? Aro: Ipanema, btw... Wosret: hehehe Aro: It's great, my life is here Wosret: i havent born to live in big cities Wosret: big ones are just to travel in my opinion hehehe Master Zen: he's a lucky bastard, i'd kill to live in Ipanema Wosret: hahaha Aro: Yes... Wosret: i should be scared in living there Aro: I have to kill! Master Zen: he has a beach, I have a volcano ready to explode just 30 min. from here Wosret: hehehe Wosret: hahuahuahua N35t0r: MZ: is it smoking a lot? Wosret: but the ice will become watter son Wosret: heheh Master Zen: smoke came out a few days ago Wosret: ipanema will be under the water soon Aro: aliás, issebaumdimaisdaconta é uma expressão tipicamente de Minas... Wosret: hehehe Wosret: pra nois tb Wosret: hehehe Aro: Ipanema will be in MS hehehe Wosret: btw, i will make a revolotion, we shouldnt build factories. say no to the global warming \o/ Wosret: huauhauhahua Wosret: indeed Aro: Ok, folks... Gotta go, I have RL work to do. Master Zen: when I become rich I will be Aro's neighbor Wosret: well, i must let my friend use my pc now, (we have an universit homework to do now) and later night i will be free to chat again Aro: hehehe Wosret: hehehe Master Zen: ok guys, it was a please to talk with you al Aro: Indeed! Wosret: i say the same Wosret: Master Zen: we will be sending you some proposals this week Wosret: soon we talk more about the game, Aro: See you, folks! Wosret: and the people brazuca greet u all, for the power and the friendship \o Aro: e'll schedule another chat soon. Aro: I'll Master Zen: yes Wosret: ok Wosret: bye all N35t0r: bye aro, and bye to Wosret as well Aro: Thanks, Rodrigo, and we say the same Aro: bye! Aro: see you! Aro has left the conversation. Master Zen: cya guys Wosret: bye Rodrigo-Wosret <---- issebaumdimaisdaconta has left the conversation.

Edited to make changes that more accurately reflect what was said to whom. Some other mistakes not noted may be present however.

	22-08-2005 02:14									#3
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Just received at MSN (I'm "away")

quote: originally posted by Wosret Rodrigo-Wosret <--> É Pression HJ NUM VAI ´PRESTA says: e ae aro qndo estiver ae me procure por favor

What means:

quote: Hi, Aro... When available, contact me please!

	24-08-2005 09:44									#4
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Just received (the CBR proposal):

quote: originally emailed by Wosret Depois de levar alguns tópicos já em comum entre nossas civilizações, e discuti-las com o povo Brazuca, chegamos num "pacote de trocas" que gostaríamos de vincular, tornando assim nossos laços mais fraternos. Gostaria que esta proposta de acordo fosse levada à apreciação do povo de Apolyton, para que assim cheguemos a um consenso sobre as matérias tradadas abaixo. Esperamos uma proposta postiva e tão célere quanto o possível. sem mais, Os mais sinceros cumprimentos da vossa nação amiga. Segue os termos das propostas de acordo: --->Sobre a troca de technologias: A civilização Brazuca propõe a troca de Bronze Working por nosso Alphabet. --->Quanto às Screens: Nosso povo tem a intenção plena de realizar tal troca com vocês de Apolyton,contudo gostariamos de saber em que "moldes" se daria esta troca. Por exemplo, gostariamos de saber o quanto de informação devemos vos passar, e que tipo de Screens. Não sei se fui compreensível, contudo o povo Brazuca gostaria de saber mais detalhes de como proceder. --->Sobre o acordo de manter unidades a no mínimo 1 tile das bordas vizinhas: Além de concretizar esta parte gostariamos de acrescentar algo no estilo de exploração: gostariamos que as curraghs tenham passagem livre pelas bordas culturais das nações, logicamente deveremos debater mais sobre o assunto é somente um demonstrativo das nossas intenções. --->A civilização Brazuca gostaria de incluir neste "pacote de trocas" um tratado de paz, com duração de 50 turnos em média. Achamos um tópico interessante a ser analisado, para que assim possamos crescer e nos desenvolver de forma plena e completa, e assim trazer alegria e confraternização entre nossos povos. --->O povo Brazuca gostaria de pedir previamente também a homologação de nosso acordo no ONU, os cidadão Brazucas são muito temerosos, e apesar de entederem que existe um clima de cooperação entre nossos povos insiste na idéia de se precaver das formas mais possíveis.

Wich means...

quote: originally emailed by Wosret After we lead some topics already in common between our civilizations, and discuss it with the Brazuca people, we came with a "package deal" that we like to link, making our nations more close and friendly. We would like that this proposal went submitted to the appreciation of the people of Apolyton, in order to permit a consensus about those subjects. We expect a positive proposal and so fast as possible. Yours, etc, etc… The most sincere blah blah… of your friendly Nation. Here is our proposal: --->About the exchange of technologies: The Brazuca civilization proposes the exchange of Bronze Working by our Alphabet. --->About the Screens: Our people have the full intention of carry out such trade with you, people of Apolyton. However we’d like to know in that "molds" we would make this exchange. An example: We’d like to know how much information we must pass you, and which kind of Screens. I don’t know if I was understandable, however the Brazuca people would like to know more details of this trade. --->About the agreement of maintain units at least 1 tile from the borders: Beyond concretize this deal, we’d like to increase somewhat in the style of exploration: We’d like that the curraghs have free passage by the cultural borders of the nations. Of course we should debate more about the matter, it’s only a demonstrative of our intentions. ---> The Brazuca civilization would like to include in this "package deal" a peace treaty, with duration of 50 turns on average. We find this an interesting topic it to be analyzed, for that we’ll be able to grow and develop our nations in a complete way, and may this bring joy and brotherhood to our peoples. --->The Brazuca people would like to ask priory to register our agreement in the UN. The Brazucas citizen are a little fearful, and despite of knowing that a feeling of cooperation between our peoples exists, insists on the idea of prevent any possibility.

Sorry by the bad translation, but I think it's all there.

	24-08-2005 09:58									#5
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	24-08-2005 10:06									#6
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My answer:

quote: I've just received your proposal. I've translated it and posted at our forum. I'm aware that you want an answer soon, but you know how it works We'll discuss, than vote and than we give you an answer. I hope I'll be back soon with good news.

	25-08-2005 01:44									#7
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...And theirs (just received):

quote: originally sent by Wosret, Brazucas FAM Opa! Não se preocupe caro amigo ^^, espero também não ter sido um problema eu ter te mandado o texto sem português, se preferir da próxima vez mando já traduzido. Quanto a ter pressa não se preocupe, entendo como o procedimento democrático pode ser vagaroso, me mantenha informado de como as coisas andam se der ^^... vlw !

Translated:

quote: Hi! Don’t worry, dear friend, I hope that isn’t a problem send the texts in Portuguese, next time I’ll send already translated, if you wish. Don’t worry about the rush. I understand how democratic procedures may be slow, keep me informed about how the things are running, if possible.

	25-08-2005 01:50									#8
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...And my answer:

quote: Sem problema, fica ao seu critério! É lógico que se vocês me enviarem o texto bilíngue, fica mais fácil evitar qualquer tipo de mal-entendido linguístico . See ya! Aro

Which means...

quote: No problem, it’s your decision! Of course, if you send me a bilingual text, would be easier avoiding any kind of speech misunderstood. See ya Aro

Man, this is boring!

	31-08-2005 04:38									#9
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Just sent to Brazucas.

quote: Caríssimo Rodrigo Desculpe o atraso. Estive viajando (Piracicaba! Bem legal) e se não sou eu as coisas simplesmente não andam... Espero ter notícias pra você rapidamente. Um abraço, Aro Dear Rodrigo Sorry for the delay. I was traveling (Piracicaba! Nice place), and if I'm not present, the things simply don't happen... I hope i'll get back shortly with news. Hugs, Aro

	31-08-2005 06:31									#10
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Information gleened:

1. Second city was built one tile away from coast.

2. They have likely met another Civ but Worcet cannot say yet.
3. They picked a defensive Civ in hopes of playing mostly a diplomacy type of game with some emphasis on Role Playing.
4. Curraghs are to be a top priority in the 3rd city.

I also think they have had a negative experience with another Civ on our Continent and therefore would be overjoyed to find an "Ally"

quote: BigFree Hello. This is BigFree from Apolyton. How are you? Worcet im fine ^^ Worcet how you doing? BigFree good, I had a long vacation in Las Vegas Worcet Worcet man hehehe thats very good i think BigFree very VERY good Worcet hehehe Worcet what did you u there? BigFree I just wanted to let you know the team is slowly discussing and polling what kind of map trade we'd like to ask your team to amke with us. Worcet good Worcet we have doubts about that as well BigFree About Las Vegas, I did just about everything. I even toook a helicopter to see the Grand Canyon. Worcet man, grande canyon..thats one of the better things to see there (im a nature lover ) heehe..and maybe know more about poker Worcet hehehe BigFree I'm sorry, are you saying that your team is having doubts about trading screens shots/maps? Worcet not doubts sorry Worcet just.. Worcet hmm Worcet doubts about how to proceed BigFree ah, much clearer. Worcet as.. my team are talking to ay images whitout the city produtions or units on the cities... it depends much of yours opinions BigFree Hopefully we at Apolyton will have something more substantial to speak of soon. Meaning that we will have the particulars made clearer to you for the benefit of both of our teams. BigFree Yes, we are discussing basically the same things. Worcet thats a very good thing ^^ BigFree Worcet we are very excitaded to this game BigFree Based upon what land we see so far on this landamss, we think there's a very good chance there's another Civ close to one of us. Yet, we have not found them yet. What's CBR's thoughts on the posiblity of another Civ here on this landmass? Worcet well, our south isnt discovered.. we are thinkn to send a curragh... but the last city the people prefered to make in a non shore tile ... that screwed me hehehe Worcet but soon we will make curraghs to take more advantage from seafaring BigFree Yeah, i would think you'd want a coastal city soon to build a fleet with which to explore. Worcet .... yes .... but its a ### democrcy and people rules hahaahaha Worcet if it was a Single Player i should have some pair of curraghs already BigFree haha BigFree I hear you! BigFree But, it is better to play as a democracy, it's more fun that way overall. Worcet sure Worcet its very good to play civ as a RPG Worcet i think its the better way to play civ.. BigFree Yes, I did that with another team and we played as the Spanish. It was great fun. Worcet BigFree Do you have an opinon as to whether or not there are 2 landmasses with 3 Civ's each or 3 landmasses with 2 Civ's each? Worcet in my opinion, theres 3 civs in 2 continents... or the game should be very loooong BigFree My thoughts as well. Worcet bigfree...last game you played as sum as now? BigFree under the same name you mean? Worcet no, as sumerians i mean BigFree No, we played as the Greeks. BigFree We tried to stay close to Apolyton's Greek roots. The site owners live there. Worcet hehehe it was a good idea BigFree Then we decided that we'd like to try the agricultural bonus BigFree As everyone except you guys did Worcet no..we are agricultural.. Worcet only the indians arent BigFree Oh, that's right, I keep forgetting that Worcet hehehe BigFree You have the very nice defender later on Worcet ye.. later hehehe Worcet but we choise a diplomacy way to this game BigFree I've played your Civ in a PBEM game that I won. BigFree It was pretty cool. Worcet hehehe BigFree Diplomacy is what makes this whole game much more interesting than just a computer game. Worcet they are good, but you must have some things in mind....you cant just play whti dutch the same way you play anothers civs.. Worcet ye D Worcet thats my think about all this BigFree Yes, you must play to your strengths while keeping in mind your general weaknesses as compared to the other Civ's. BigFree Apolyton has always been big on Diplomacy; we truly believe that is where you either do well in the game or you do not. Worcet last game we did good in diplo thats the reason people choised dutch...they are a "defedin" civ...not agressive...and may grow....the seafaring help us whit the trades ^^ BigFree Good philosophy to work with. Worcet big wher you live in usa? BigFree California Worcet hehehe..you live good man D BigFree haha BigFree lots of blondes with big tits!!! Worcet it has some think whit brazil.. sun and beachs Worcet Worcet ye Worcet thats very good ^^ Worcet hehehe BigFree LOL Worcet hehehe Worcet but we have more ... morenas hehe Worcet forgot the name Worcet "mulatas" hehehehe BigFree Cna't get too much of that here in California. I'll never get bored seeing a nice looking woman. Worcet hahaha Worcet thats true :E Worcet maybe enven civ can bore me ...but a good pair of breasts.... BigFree Ok, back to the game for just a minute...if you guys met another Civ already, would you have permission to tell us about it? Worcet hehehe :E Worcet well, i havent see any topics about it, but i think this must be a popular choice.. Worcet have you already discussed about this? BigFree Yes, a bit. BigFree I can tell you we have not met another Civ. Worcet but do you have any oficial position?..or propouse BigFree I'm an assisitant to the man in charge if dipolomacy BigFree Master Zen Worcet hmm i have him in my msn BigFree the man who shares your same first name Worcet ye :E Worcet hehehe BigFree I can understand that if you had met another Civ you might want to keep that to yourselves for just a little while while you decided what would serve you best in letting us know about it now or latter. Worcet i really must think about this, and will take it to the people Worcet but im sure to say, we would be very gald to have an oficial alliance betwen our civ..and then chage every thing possible to our growth BigFree As with all diplomacy we are just trying to get an understanding of what kind of level of future cooperation you are willing to have with us. Trust begets more trust and more lucrative trades and status with us. As I expect is the same with your team since it is built for the purpose of both democracy and Roleplaying. Worcet well, i see your cooperation spirit. and you cant imagine how im get happy (as person and civ player) but i say again, i really want to have you as our future and ever ally... but despite my opinion, as Foreing Minister i have to talk the voice of my people... and if they desires to say about any civs we discover, or any civ in the continent ill be very hapy to share that whit you..(am i clear... Worcet it seems hard to me sometimes BigFree Yes, you are clear. Worcet tnx Worcet so, ill take this to my people, and ill ask: "if we meet another civ in the continent must we share the info whit Apolyton or what?" Worcet and ill try to do the best for an probable allyance between es BigFree Well, I must take a break form the computer and go eat dinner and do some laundry and other house chores. It was very nice chatting with you. I look forward to hearing an answer from you at he same time I will press forward for a proper response from Apolyon's people as to the tech trade and screen shot/map trade. Worcet good, it will be very great for our teams... i will be very very glad if our people believe in our ever allyance ^^ BigFree Yes, that would be something to be glad about. Worcet Worcet bye, was very good chat whit you too ^^ BigFree Adios. Worcet hehehe Worcet bye

	31-08-2005 09:45									#11
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@ BigFree!

Sorry, read next post

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	01-09-2005 07:27									#12
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Here is the translation of the conversation that me and Wosret had this afternoon.

quote: Originally posted by Aro and Wosret Aro Wosret What’s up, my friend? Hi! Everything is fine! How’s that in Copacabana? Hehehe It’s ok… RL is taking too much time! But it’s Ipanema It’s great! So, my friend… How is the discussion at your forum? We’re finishing. Soon I’ll have an answer to you. Btw, Diplomacy is a great job. Well, BigFree were talking to me and ask me about a deal involving new contacts… You are already aware of that, isn’t? Yes, I am. So, we are voting about that, but people is willing to let this subject connected to our proposes. Do you understand why? Connected to the proposes already in discussion? Not exactly, we’re thinking like that: If you accept our proposes, or at least are willing to discuss those proposes, you will be considered as very close friends, and we’d have no fear to give you a contact with other civ. Otherwise, if you don’t accept or seem to postponing things to gain time, would be very dangerous to our health give a contact to you… Specially because we’ll have curraghs soon, and our chances to find other civs will increase. I understand, it’s a matter of confidence, before any other thing. The basis of a good relationship. And imagine, hypothetically, that you have a tendency to ignore us, to say less, and having a contact with another civ, this could be a catalyst to an war against us! Oh, at the moment, our tendency is not to show up in our forum… Not many people, too much RL. But we’re discussing the proposes with great interest. What could be RL? Real Life. The life outside the forum. Oh, yeah, no doubts about it! Hehe I have three jobs, one ex wife and two kids. Heavy! Hehehe, it’s a lot, man, you will be old soon! Hahaha But better three jobs than three ex-wives! You’re damn right! Hehehe About civ 4, there’s too much expectative? Talking about civ 4, I think that will be on stores soon, and I’m a little anxious… Although I will keep playing Civ III for a long time! I hope they don’t delay the sales here in Brazil. But so, Aro, that’s my position at the moment. This is what my people are thinking, at least the most influent ones. So, I reserve to myself the right to talk with you about it. It’s not an official position, but it’s a semi-official one. You may talk about in your team. Ok, I understand perfectly your position. About DG, I say. DG? Democratic Game. Ah! Hehehe I’ve been at Poly for so long… Oops! Poly is my girlfriend! Just a coincidence. Poly is Apolyton. Hahaha! Just kidding! But it makes sense at all… Yeah, makes some sense…

At this point, we said good bye because I had to play with the band. Very friendly.


Btw, I apologize for my language mistakes. A lot!

	06-09-2005 10:14									#13
	Got spare money?

Transcript of the chat:

Part I:

quote: Wosret: hi all MrWhereItsAt (Simon) says: G'day RegentMan Hello! Aro Hi, folks Ibrahim hi Wosret: Good Night here Wosret: heheh Master Zen heya nye hello Wosret: so guys, we are eager to know about your answer Master Zen well Master Zen we received your proposal Master Zen sent it to our interpreters for translation Aro Me Master Zen then passed it to our lawyers for clarification Wosret: Master Zen then we sent it to our accountants and economists for cost/benefit analysis Master Zen (that would be me ) Wosret: heheh Master Zen then we sent it to our computer engineers to make sure there was no virus embedded Master Zen (yes, believe it or not, Poly has Computers in the ancient age) MrWhereItsAt (Simon) says: (reaching for his scissors for cutting through red tape) Wosret: hehehe Master Zen then we sent it to our politians for debate Master Zen after a week of debate, it got nowhere and nye killed all the other Consuls Master Zen (actually, he ate them) nye that would be me Wosret: hehehehe Master Zen lastly it was sent to our cooks to decide if Brazilian food was good enough for our two neighboring civilizations to exchange recipies Master Zen they thought it was delicious Master Zen and so, in a nutshell, we agreed Aro I'm the cook Wosret: hehehehe Master Zen oh yeah, and then the women... Wosret: youre so funny hehehehe, but icant say it make me very happy indeed Master Zen all Poly members were forced to endure 4 hours of surfing for Brazilian women on the internet. Some of us, spent a little more time though Wosret: hahaha nye i'm still looking at the women's football team Master Zen nye, for example, spent the last 48 hours, he hasn't eaten or slept Wosret: we may exchange some procuts like this Wosret: heheh Wosret: you give blondies we send "morenas" Wosret: ou "mulatas" Wosret: heheh Master Zen hey, your blondes are pretty hot too Wosret: ou=or Wosret: Wosret: indeed, Wosret: we are the better..so we need to exchange another thing... Wosret: Master Zen but yeah, seriously, we find the proposals to be acceptable Wosret: (our girls are the beter) Wosret: hehehe Wosret: thas good Master Zen we are almost finished with an official written response Wosret: and seriously, do you have any other thing to add or to say about that? Master Zen we are just waiting for a bit more input but it should be ready tonight or tomorrow to send your way Master Zen NAP, screen trading, tech trading, am I missing something else? Wosret: that will be great, people will be very happy i say nye i think the only new thing would a proposal to share information on whereabouts of other civs Wosret: and about screens, did you reach any position about that? nye that took a great deal of time nye we have come up with trading clean map with units removed Wosret: units and production i wonder Master Zen yes, the small window at the bottom right removed Aro and no slide too nye it won't show production or other city info with units removed nye hit delete to remove the interface nye that removes everything but map Wosret: well, to make it cleaner, could you send us an example, not necessary of the game? nye then remove units nye yes, i can do that Wosret: ow Wosret: ill try the del Wosret: didnt know Master Zen me neither nye don;t worry. i had forgotten what did it. i had to ask Wosret: hehehe Wosret: and, soon i was wondering in more pact Wosret: but only me.. not oficial Wosret: hehhe Wosret: the way our civs are agricultural, and we grow pretty fast, i was thinkg to make an "settling" pact... but its my mind... Master Zen I'm sure once we explore more of the map and share our info we might find it mutually benefitial to make some sort of settling agreement, personally I still think it's a bit too early right now Wosret: indeed Wosret: thats the way i hadnt lead it to people Master Zen we can discuss the idea in our forums, maybe work on something definitive later on Aro But it's an interesting idea, for sure Master Zen it would be rather premature to make such a treaty right now since we don't even know the size or shape of our continent, once we get closer to doing so we can definitely begin talks nye any idea of when the save will come to us, worset? Wosret: i think our team are playng now Wosret: I have a thing to say to you Wosret: to you all Aro k Master Zen yes Wosret: we have already found another civ...we've meet then some turns ago, and i wasnt sure to talk about, i wanted but couldnt, cause i think it as an democracy, and if people didn agree my neck... hehehe but thats it, majority people have agreed to say, so im saying i very proud Wosret: (my english is very good ) Aro Another Civ? Wosret: yes..let me br clear Wosret: weve found another civ Master Zen wow, interesting Master Zen I'm rather surprised, should I say pleased, that you actually shared this with us Aro Indeed MrWhereItsAt (Simon) says: You're English is fine. Out of interest, how's your Spanish? Wosret: it wasalways my intentions.. but didnt know if people were up to agreed Master Zen I also can't help but be overwhelmed by the curiosity of knowing which civ you've met, of course, only if you wish to share that info with us MrWhereItsAt (Simon) says: *Your...whoops Wosret: mi espanol es un rato pessimo...diria que hablo portuñol Aro Portuñol yo hablo también! Wosret: hahah Ibrahim eu nehum dos dois Wosret: well, we meet CDZ Master Zen todos hablamos Portuñol! (or Españugues!) Wosret: hahaha Aro Perfecto! Wosret: bueno Master Zen CDZ Wosret: indeed Master Zen interesting Master Zen have they been nice to you? Wosret: we are wainting some answers from them Wosret: but Wosret: the first contact it was pretty nice Wosret: in my point of view sure. Master Zen are their women hot? Aro hehe Wosret: hahaha Wosret: aaaaaaaaaaaaa! O_O Wosret: cant believe that Wosret: O_o Wosret: Hatshepsut is the CIV4 king for egipty Wosret: Wosret: what Sid have in his mind Master Zen Cleopatra in a bikini would have been better Wosret: hahaha Wosret: indeed! Wosret: she was so horny Master Zen heh Master Zen can I ask you a question? Wosret: sure Master Zen have you told them you have met us? Wosret: may i ask why youre askn? Master Zen because CDZ's attitude towards your team will be very different if they know you have contact with 2 civs Wosret: thats may be a point, but why you think like this? Master Zen well, a bit of experience. People tend to react differently when another team has contact with other civs Aro Human nature... Master Zen pretty much Wosret: your position toward us have changed? Master Zen no, because we have already met you for quite some time Aro Nope Pggar has been added to the conversation. Wosret: our president RegentMan Greetings Pggar. Aro welcome! Master Zen but when you meet a new civ, and that new civ has contact with another civ, I'm sure that would give a lot more things to think about nye Hello Master Zen heya Pggar hi yall Wosret: so, thinkng like you, how do you think we must lead whit this situation? Master Zen well, in my opinion, I think we should keep our contact a secret for a while. See how CDZ acts with you without knowing there's 3rd civ in the continent Master Zen then we can see if CDZ's attitude changes once they find out there's a 3rd civ Master Zen of course, I am nobody to tell your team what to do (or not do) Master Zen this is merely a suggestion Wosret: dont worry Wosret: ive aked that didnt i Wosret: asked* Aro Indeed... Wosret: sure ill take your opinion im mind, but well do what people think is right to our nation Wosret: ah! we are a nation already Master Zen hehe Pggar what do you guys expect from CDZ, if I may ask? Master Zen yes, like I said, this is just my suggestion, you are free to conduct your diplomacy with CDZ as you wish, I mean, we'll inevitably meet CDZ also nye mounted warriors. :/ Pggar hahaha Aro hehe Pggar besides that Master Zen but seriously, noticing a change of attitude from them would be beneficial to your team's appraisal of them too, we would only benefit from what you tell us Pggar don't forget that from what we can see from the map so far (the lack of bonuses), there's a huge chance they don't have horses Master Zen Mounted Warriors... awsome unit RegentMan Well, what experiences do you have with CDZ from round one? nye i have a question Wosret: well ill expose my opinion, in this situation is the better to do... I really believe, that our Civs may live in peace in this continent, some thinks its hard, others think its impossible, im really think we 3 civilizations may create a great team, to rule the wolrd, and i would like to know your opinion about this... nye building is always a better path Aro I agree nye expecially if the other civs go warmonger on each other nye but that leads to my question Wosret: good nye you may of course choose not to answer, but could you tell us if cdz is close to us? closer to you than us? a lot depends on geography nye being crammed in might not lend to peace Master Zen let's hope not Wosret: we really dont know nye you have units met, but not sight of borders? Wosret: no we didnt have find theyr borders Pggar probably closer to us, since they find us, but we have not seen their borders nye ok. thanks. Master Zen I guess contact with us will happen sooner or later Pggar well, unless both of you stop exploring, I guess that's correct Wosret: hehehe Master Zen which of course would be more fun if that came to them as a surprise Wosret: what do you mean whti surprise? Aro hehe Master Zen if they didn't know we existed until they found us hehe Wosret: ye, i just thought ive heard a "war" sound in your voice... Master Zen heh, not really Master Zen perhaps its just that my impression of them is of a rather, warmongerish team Master Zen I mean they are the "Duel" zone RegentMan Reading through their spoilers, 99% of games end in ancient/medieval conquests. Master Zen and they have Mounted Warriors... Master Zen and experience in ancient warfare Wosret: yes, hehe i can see your point dont worry Master Zen and they couldn't have chosen a better unit for ancient warfare than Mounted Warriors Master Zen so I'm sure they have that in mind Aro Agreed. Wosret: the way i think, is to use our units in group, do you think its possible? Wosret: i really believe in peace Master Zen well, you know, the civ each team chooses is a good indication of their play style Master Zen your team and our team have choosen defensive units Pggar except when you don't get your first option, then you're just a mistery Master Zen CDZ chooses one of the best ancient offensive units int he game Master Zen heh Master Zen well, we got the one we wanted Wosret: but we may talk to them"if you use this ****n **** MW in us you will be lost..alone in the world...there will not have hope to you" Aro hehe Master Zen we're definitely going to approach them with caution once we meet them, they may be nice and trustworthy sure, but any team with a UU like that has to be dealt with carefully Wosret: if you really think this way, do you believe its the oportunit to make a mutual protection pact, just to get us free from the possibility of an MW attack? nye we will have to consider these things seriously nye we need to find their borders. pronto Master Zen I doubt it would be beneficial to us to see one civ conquer another at such early stages of the game, particularly one with MWs... it is something we must discuss, like nye said Aro I agree. This unit is not there for nothing... Wosret: and our curraghs will take some time yet Master Zen but before anything is done we do have to have better knowledge of our continent. Where they are located, where we are located relative to them, etc nye once we know where they are and see their land, we will know a lot more about any potential threat Master Zen what is clear to me, is that we are understanding each other well nye are you able to tell us anything ese about your contact? nye *else Master Zen your concerns might end up being our concerns, and vice-versa Pggar they have a funny name nye yeah. Killer Wabbits. Wosret: hehehe Master Zen Killer Mounted Wabbits Pggar I guess that's as much as we know ^^

	06-09-2005 10:15									#14
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Part Deux:

quote: Master Zen I have to thank you Master Zen you have told us more than we would have expected nye if i understood correctly, they found your borders. is that correct? Pggar you're lucky, we have john lenno as our embassador, he just wants peace and he is really open Master Zen lol nye heh Wosret: Wosret: hehehe Wosret: peace and love Wosret: Master Zen peace, love, weed, LSD... haha Wosret: hahaha Aro Just weed. Wosret: lucy in the sky whit diamonds Wosret: qq eh weed aro? Master Zen ask CDZ if they want to trade weed for horses Master Zen that way they'll have Mounted Warriors who are too high to fight hehe Aro hehehe Wosret: i understood now hehehe Aro Mounted warriors in the sky with diamonds Wosret: but weed is thee same of hemp? Aro yep Master Zen weed, hemp, chronic, ganja, indo... Wosret: uia Wosret: heheh nye Pggar, may I ask you a question? Wosret: joint Master Zen not that I do that stuff... bleh, my flatmate does though so I smell it every day Wosret: nye, if its food i have to tyr first Wosret: hahaha Pggar sure nye Before you came in, I mentioned that our guys wanted to propose adding sharing of contact information (civ, location, etc) as part of our agreement. Do you think this is a good idea? Pggar what do you mean? Pggar contact in game is impossible Wosret: ow, i did forgot that Pggar location of what exactly? Wosret: to exchange every contact we get nye well, in light of what we have discussed, with cdz out there, we share information about contacts and locations Pggar and civ, we already shared all we had Master Zen yeah, except we "officialize" it in a treaty nye i greatly appreciate that, Pggar. I mean going forward Wosret: talking about officialize, what about to make that oficial to ONU... Pggar well, I don't see why we cant take that proposal to our people nye very good. and we do appreciate your opennes with us. it makes a very good impression Pggar and I say they are most likely going to accept it Aro If it's a thing just to the admin, it's good Master Zen i am unfamiliar with UN proceedures, do we have to send them a copy of our treaties? Pggar we just need to know what to propose nye you missed the openning nye our team is in favour of all that you proposed Pggar are we looking for mutual protection, or do we want just to share info? nye we will be sending a formal document within a few days nye re mutual protection, we should begin by finding the other civs on our land mass Wosret: nye, i dont think weve lost the opennin.. Pggar well, unless this is a surprise pangea, I guess this is it nye ok. thanks, worset. i was just reviewing Wosret: wel lets point Wosret: one point is the MPP Wosret: another the contact trading infos Wosret: the first, mpp Wosret: i think its to avoid them to attack us...to make them think twice before use their units Wosret: dont mind how large is the continent or whatever Wosret: well, the second, the contact exchange, Master Zen how about we summarize what we've agreed upon and what we leave open for further discussion? Master Zen We've agreed upon: 1 - A 50 turn NAP 2 - the tech trade 3 - screenshot sharing Master Zen we will send you an official treaty tomorrow about this Wosret: ok, and well send you some ideias for the left topics Master Zen We decide to discuss in the short term: 1 - possiblity of adding a contact sharing treat Master Zen *treaty Master Zen this we can work on during this week or the next Master Zen and finally Master Zen We decide to begin discussing in our forums with our peoples, 1 - Mutual protection pact Wosret: yes, would you like to set the date for the contact sharing? Master Zen this can begin being negotiated on once we have more information about our geography nye we could add a clause for that to the treaty we send you Master Zen yeah Wosret: why do you are so pointed in the geography? nye ?? nye wht was i asking? Pggar about the screen sharing, how is this going to happen exactly Master Zen because geography is extremely important, perhaps CDZ is closer to us, perhaps they don't have horses, there are many things to consider Wosret: i mean, why to do the mpp is so important to know the geography..how may it change things? nye Pggar, I proposed sending clean map with units turned off. i was to send an example Master Zen because if we know CDZ's land, we'll know their capabilities, we'll know just how much of a threat they might become Pggar hmm, including territory inside borders? nye it is not impossible there are other civs out there. it is not impossible that cdz has a less advantageos position nye Pggar, that is what we were discussing to propose to you Pggar okye dokye nye would you prefer to black out inside borders? Master Zen how about this... Pggar I don't really have an opnion on t he subject, just making things clear nye k Pggar I don't remember if we have discussed this thourougly with our citizenz Master Zen you can take your time discussing the treaty nye yeah, ball was in our court to make the proposal Master Zen if you feel a certain part of the treaty is unclear, we can change it Master Zen does that sound good? Wosret: sure Master Zen good Master Zen it's easier to work that way Master Zen negotiating things in writing is much better than negotiating ideas Wosret: we receive, what is "pacific" we take, what isnt we talk Wosret: thats a point Master Zen exactly Wosret: but i wont hide, what you said about the importance of geography to make a mutual protection to our civs, let me some... not worried...but... (como fala intrigdo em ingles porra? ).. Aro Curious? Wosret: maybe...but in lack of a better word... Master Zen intrigued? Wosret: Aro Wosret: you deserve a kiss... from a mulata sure ¬¬ Master Zen preferrably Adriana Lima Wosret: hauhauauh Wosret: cant believe that nye Worset, let me make myself clear. Knowing the geography is the first step both in knowing the threat and in deciding what to do about it. That is all. Master Zen can't belive what? you don't find her h-o-t? Wosret: i DO! i dont believe you know her Wosret: hahhaa Master Zen hey, I AM latin american myself, I know the finer specimens of my race Wosret: heheh Master Zen I just want to add a bit to what nye said because it seems you guys are a bit wary about that Wosret: so imagine.... if we agreed now. it should be an "dark agreement" but if later, you see they are closer to us... would you think the same about the mpp? nye probably. we have had freindly civs wiped out and agressors land on our border before Master Zen geography is extremely imporant at this point in the game. We are still totally ignorant about our surroundings. We know there's another civ around but what land do they have? can that land be sufficient to be a threat to us? Imagine w hat would happen if CDZ has iron and neither us don't, what if they have ivory?... all of those things are possiblities that need to be considered. Pggar sure, I guess Wos is thinking of how much geography can change what we have already discussed Wosret: well i will respect your opinion, but it make me think if thingsbe worse to us than for you, you will think twice to help Ibrahim this Ives Lacoste Ibrahim hehehe Wosret: ã? Wosret: hehhe Master Zen I'm sure if CDZ ends up presenting itself, by closeness, by agressive nature, etc. as a threat to one of us, it will be human nature for that civ to look on the other for help Wosret: but, i remember..thinkg in the peaceful world... more peace as possible Wosret: ow, thats what i was wanttn to heard Wosret: better to read Ibrahim Ives Lacoste writing book: Geography, this serves more before nothing making the war Pggar BTW, did you guys solve the returning mail problem? I'm about to send you the turn Ibrahim hehe Wosret: thats a good point ibrahim nye i am getting it, Pggar. But cc me just to be sure Pggar that's not the problem Pggar the problem is that I'm getting it also nye other than that, the relay server has been having big problems. i don;t know when they will go away Pggar everyturn I get a und. email with my save attached Pggar nye annoying. sorry about that Master Zen so, is there anything left to discuss? Master Zen I hope we have been clear with our points and with our intentions Wosret: dont think so Wosret: i imagine you were i hope the same for us Master Zen I am left with no doubts Master Zen We will send you the treaty soon so you can review it Wosret: i say the same... no wait.. whove born first..the egg or the chicken? O_o Master Zen if anything needs modification or negotiation just tell us Aro The egg. Master Zen the rooster Wosret: ah! Wosret: hehehehe Aro It's a scientific statement Wosret: thats very very fine to me guys..and im proud to say it this chat made me vary happy Master Zen I would also really like to thank you guys for sharing the info on CDZ Aro Eggs are present billions of years before roosters or chickens... D Aro Pggar I`m leaving Wosret: on a jet plain... Aro Were present Master Zen it came as a very pleasant surprise that you chose to be open about that Pggar I`m also sending the sav in a couple of minutes Wosret: dont know when i ll be back agains... Pggar see ya Master Zen cya Pggar RegentMan Bye. Aro cya nye bye, Pggar Wosret: bye Pggar has left the conversation. Wosret: see you all guys Ibrahim bye Wosret has left the conversation. Master Zen good chat Aro See ya Aro very good indeed nye i'm out. time to collect the save nye has left the conversation. Aro has left the conversation.

	06-09-2005 10:19									#15
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MZ, can you post the private chat as well?

Btw, how did you do that? I mean, this is edited so fast!

	12-09-2005 03:33									#16
	Got spare money?

I believe Aro owes us a chat log of the talk he and I had with worset.

You can edit that in here, Aro.

Can you recall which day it was?

	12-09-2005 03:36									#17
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Chat with Worset of CBR just now.

quote: nye: hello Wosret: hi ^^ Wosret: sorry for yesterday nye: hi. any news about the treaty? nye: np about yesterday. it said you were away Wosret: yes, ive Wosret: i got some sad about that.. cause only few people read the terms, but all the one whove read accepted.. Wosret: and how the time has gone i may say you propouse is accepted Wosret: btw, you ve already recevied our tech, didnt you? nye: that is good news, but we went over the time limit Wosret: =-( nye: np. we can complete the trade next turn Wosret: nye, i ll dinner, soon i ll be back, then we keep this chat ok? nye: k Wosret: brb Wosret: im back nye: ok. Wosret: so, you loose your turn nye: no. we had to play it to stay inside 24 nye: so we put bw on the table, unaccepted nye: if you guys leave alphabet on the table and accept, the trade will complete next turn nye: we just need something official back from your team. something we can send to the un Wosret: ok, ill do that, i think just an agreement of your terms may be enough, wont be? nye: i think so. and then we both send the treaty to the un (admins) to register it. Wosret: agreed Wosret: ill do it now, and ill as soon as possible ill send to.. you, then u send to un. or ive to send to un as well Wosret: ? nye: we both send, i think nye: to the un Wosret: ok, ill do that now, and ask to pggar send to un. and a copy for you as well nye: ok. Wosret: cya nye: bye

	12-09-2005 05:28									#18
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Here it is:

quote: The Brazuca Civilization, hereby agree with the terms of the attached treaty, in which, CivBrasil and Apolyton have set some rules to regulate our neighborhood relations. Both our nations now seek UN's aprovall to ratify this agreement and explicitly manifest our honest and peaceful intentions to our citizens and to the world. The treaty: In order to formalize our friendship and our desire to maintain peaceful relations, the nations of Brazucas and Apolyton hereby agree to the following treaty: 1.Alphabet and bronze working shall be traded between our two nations. On turn 25, Brazucas will send alphabet unaccepted to Apolyton. Apolyton will put bronze working on the table and accept the deal. On turn 26, Brazucas will accept the deal, thus completing the trade. Apolyton agrees not to trade Alphabet to any other nation or team. Brazucas agrees not to trade Bronze Working to any other nation or team. 2. As of turn 25, a fifty turn non-aggression pact between the nations of Brazucas and Apolyton shall go into effect. Neither team shall attack the other, and no unit (except for the curragh) may enter within one tile of the other nation's cultural borders without their consent. 3. On turn 26, the nations of Brazucas and Apolyton will trade unaltered screenshots of all explored lands which includes the land inside of each nation's borders, but doesn't include units, combat and non-combat. All resources and terrain improvements shall be shown, but the production, current research and time, treasury (current gold and gold per turn), and slider settings shall not be shown, either cut out in a screenshot program or blacked out. Both nations agree not to pass on traded screen shots to any other nation or team. 4. Information as to the whereabouts of the other nations on this world shall be issued to the other party once the foreign nations have been met. 5. This treaty comes into effect upon being ratified by both nations named herein. To this end, Brazucas and Apolyton humbly wish that this treaty is the beginning of a lasting friendship, where the world hides in fear of the combined might of Brazucas and Apolyton! Best regards. Wosret CivBrasil's Foreign Minister

	19-09-2005 07:23									#19
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Sent to Worset (Rodrigo) of CBR:

quote: Hello Rodrigo We have spotted CDZ's border. It is South of us and East of you. I guess we could have only assumed it would be that way. We have not spotted any CDZ units and thus have not made contact with them. We hope that all is well in the land that is CBR. May we both live well and prosper. BigFree Apolyton

	21-09-2005 09:33									#20
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Sent to CDZ

quote: Killer Wabbits, Our scouts have the honor of encountering your great civilization during the course of the present turn. From the fair land of Apolyton, we would first and foremost wish to extend a most sincere greeting from our people to yours. I would also like to introduce myself, Master Zen, as Apolyton's Foreign Affairs Minister, you may contact me at this e-mail addy at any time (this is also my MSN Messenger contact). We also have appointed RegentMan as your ambassador, he will come in contact with you shortly too. We would like to take the opportunity to organize a small chat with your team one of these days, perhaps sometime early next week, it would be a great opportunity for our teams to know each other better and see where our mutual interests may lie. Best regards, - Master Zen of Apolyton

	21-09-2005 10:50									#21
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Sent to CDZ:

quote: Salutations CDZ! It's quite nice to see so many familiar faces across your pink borders. I am RegentMan, Apolyton's ambassador to the land of the Killer Wabbits. If you ever want to contact me, feel free to shoot me an e-mail at this address (TitanicWhiz18@comcast.net). I am looking forward to scheduling a chat between our peoples, so please let us know what times work for you. I hope that this is the beginning of a long and harmonious friendship! Sincerely, RegentMan