19-08-2005 10:14									#31
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep Civics (...) but I know how I missed SMAC's social engineering when I played Civ3.

This is one of the features I was missing the most in Civ3... after I discovered SE in SMAC (I didn't play SMAC until a couple years after the release of Civ3)

	19-08-2005 12:40									#32
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quote: @Xorbon: And, I hope anarchy has been toned-down a lot from Civ 3.

I never cared much for that either, but after reinstalling Civ2 lately and playing a game I must say I prefer the way Civ3 handles government changes. In that game I changed from monarchy to republic, and the turn the new government was in place, I lost all my settlers and most of my units - I had completely forgotten about that... in Civ2 when a city cannot support a unit it is simply disbanded.

I think the civics are a good thing - it allows for much more customization than single governments, which makes the choice also a little more personal.

	20-08-2005 10:02									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius I have to say that I really agree with Maquiladora on this one. If moddability turns out to be civ4's best feature, it means that the vanilla game would really suck and it needs other people to make it good.

It's not that vanilla civ will be bad. I think it will be OK, but what is wrong with "other people" making it great?

	20-08-2005 12:01									#34
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Moddability isn't just useful to repair a broken game (CtP2), it's also useful to create scenarios (Civ2). Civ2 ToT has a much more powerful scripting language than Civ2 and the corresponding scenarios are better. So moddability means ability to get mods, but also scenarios.

	20-08-2005 12:31									#35
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improved MP

especially with the way saves are handled

more like CTP

	20-08-2005 12:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by playshogi It's not that vanilla civ will be bad. I think it will be OK, but what is wrong with "other people" making it great?

Id rather all the major parts of the game work perfectly (including MP), this builds the community and people stay with the game, then you start to think about moddability.

If a core component of the game is found to be broken after the patching process, that modding cant repair, what you have is a broken game, great modding, but a very small audience.

I dont expect a situation similar to CtP2, (that was a unique situation involving the company), but youve got to wish for a perfect base before you think about modding IMO.

	20-08-2005 16:14									#37
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I would like to be able to say "Because of the modding capabilities", but I know I probably will be to lazy to do that. So I voted for the reduced MM.

	23-08-2005 16:54									#38
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Having read the new Gamespot preview, "death of ICS" (by introducing city maintenance costs) is also a feature I'll be very happy about.

	24-08-2005 23:19									#39
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ICS?dead? right,next your gonna tell me they found a garden gnome on pluto

	24-08-2005 23:25									#40
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I suspect if you're capable of extorting quite an amount of gold from another civ each turn you could fund an ICS... how many times is that gonna happen?

	29-08-2005 21:41									#41
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Some time ago, I e-mailed with the idea that Unit properties might change with *where* they are. FX, under Fedual Type Govts., Units are free within your borders, but cost outside them.

Guerillas move extra, and or evade, but only within your borders.

Conscripts improve more easily within, Crusaders outside your borders.

The system alreday tracks Units for war weariness. Why not for other properties?

A major bugbear is the fact that ship to ship actions do not allow for multiple attacks.

A modern destroyer fights a fleet of galleys. Instead of scattering them, it all has to be one at a time.

A Battleship, which in 20 mniutes can detroy dozens of smaller craft, sinks a solitary destoyer and then watches as a whole fleet sails away.

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	06-09-2005 00:11									#42
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quote: A modern destroyer fights a fleet of galleys. Instead of scattering them, it all has to be one at a time. A Battleship, which in 20 mniutes can detroy dozens of smaller craft, sinks a solitary destoyer and then watches as a whole fleet sails away.

install the Naval Mod

people will mod these defincies away,slowly. i dont expect to play the game much at all,in its original version

	06-09-2005 00:39									#43
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quote: A modern destroyer fights a fleet of galleys. Instead of scattering them, it all has to be one at a time.

Back in the days of naval units having low movement points, I gave post-ironclad combat ships BLITZ. Worked quite well.

But I play Rhye's of Civ now, and the naval movement points are through the roof (30+ in industrial).

	06-09-2005 10:13									#44
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I would rather vote for something such as "a spanking new population model" or "a completely revised tech advancement model."

However, it appears that modding is the thing to settle for on the list.

quote: Originally posted by Cataphract887 people will mod these defincies away,slowly. i dont expect to play the game much at all,in its original version

That depends on whether this is hard coded in the game engine.

	11-09-2005 11:52									#45
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Great People (like "leaders" in various categories with special abilities)

	14-09-2005 12:03									#46
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There's no doubt that things like reduced MM and the improved resource system and health look to be great ideas but;

I chose to civics model, with increased modding a close second (looks like the top 2 in the poll so far) because these are elements that without them - we couldn't build upon them.

The new combat features run third because they seem to add depth to that element of the game, which was sorely needed and eliminates the SOD as the only path to victory.

The modding is obviously crucial to the possibilities of the game, but the game has to start out in a 'balanced' place with key elements like the civics model making up the core gameplay.

As for the rest and why they didn't get my vote;
I like the great people, but as yet I don't understand why a great military leader or general can't be included.

I won't use MP as much as SP - but I like the sound of the MP options and the fact that it means most games won't end with drop-outs or the same sort of massive slowdown.

I like the idea of the tech tree giving variety to the game, but I play for realism and I don't undestand how you can achieve the next technology with only one of the crucial lead up technologies. Minor gripe.

And I'm not yet sold on the religion concept - it will probably be good for civ, but I feel there needs to be more options to lessen the role of religion in modern civis beyond the 'Freedom of Religion' civc.

There are other things I like that I can't think of and there are small concerns, but all in all I can't wait to get my hands on Civ 4.

	14-09-2005 14:09									#47
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While religion, great leaders, flexible tech trees and unit upgrades all look great, the most important feature for me is going to be civics.

That's the only thing which I sorely missed from CivIII and which seemed like a step backwards from the SE system in SMAC.

	14-09-2005 18:48									#48
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I just finished my first and last C&C game playing Byzantines. And what I want is a more intelligent AI. Later game (cosmic age one) is extremely boring due to the infinite army sprawl (IAS). There is nothing but army to build, and everybody builds it en masse. Actually I found it challenging not to conquer everybody. Excluding Germans. Those pushed around 30 panzers per turn against poor Aztecs, so that I had to help the latter with tech.

Later game is so extremely boring in Civ3. Main reasons
1) You can became top tech seller
2) After electricity you finish all railroad tasks immediately, and it takes centuries for AI to railroad the land and to build hospitals
3) You win wars in one shot by blitzkrieg
4) there is no challenge (just boring manual building in every city)

	17-09-2005 07:11									#49
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I am looking for better diplomacy system, and reduction of MM.

	17-09-2005 08:18									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Which new or improved feautures in Civ4 are you most looking forward to?

Modability


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