16-08-2005 21:54									#1
	Apolyton Weekly Survey III: New Feautures Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

This thread is our thrid Apolyton Survey, where the word "weekly" is to be taken in the broadest sense .

By now, we probably know, at least in general terms, about most Civ4 feautures, so:

Which new or improved feautures in Civ4 are you most looking forward to?

Feel free to speculate about the details of how the new feautures work, what effect they will have on gameplay and whether the new feautures will help make Civ4 as good as we all want it to be.

	16-08-2005 22:07									#2
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If the modability delivers on its promise, then Civ4 will have an extremely long and interesting life. The fact that the community can program AI behaviour and script events allows for fantastic community packs.

I look forward to it more than any other aspect

	16-08-2005 22:24									#3
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even tho i think it'll have the least impact on the game, I'm most looking forward to Religion.

I like to roleplay my games, and I cant think of anything adding more to that dimension than going on holy crusades and whatnot.

	16-08-2005 23:03									#4
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The modding, of course.

	16-08-2005 23:17									#5
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I really hope moddability doesnt turn out to be civ4s best feature.

I voted for reduced MM (compared to civ3), otherwise i might not play it at all.

	17-08-2005 01:12									#6
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Modding.

	17-08-2005 01:33									#8
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I have to say that I really agree with Maquiladora on this one. If moddability turns out to be civ4's best feature, it means that the vanilla game would really suck and it needs other people to make it good.

While moddability can give games a longer life, I prefer to play the unmodded version as long as possible and only when I get bored of it I try some variations.

	17-08-2005 01:49									#9
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Improved resource system.

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I look most forward to reducing micro management.
The less tedious tasks to do, the more attention can be devoted to more pleasing parts of the game.

	17-08-2005 05:01									#11
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quote: where the word "weekly" is to be taken in the broadest sense .

Meh, you can't pre-empt jokes in your first sentence...That's just not done.

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The whole game really, it was time for a new version.
If I have to name one, iI would have to say"combat".

	17-08-2005 05:05									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius I have to say that I really agree with Maquiladora on this one. If moddability turns out to be civ4's best feature, it means that the vanilla game would really suck and it needs other people to make it good.

I disagree. Moddability can and will be the best feature even if the vanilla is amazing, because with the amount they are talking about, the game can be extended to a very extreme degree, not to mention converted into practically a different game. I have some very exciting ideas for the SDK, if it is as broad as I hope it is.

	17-08-2005 05:29									#13
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder I look most forward to reducing micro management. The less tedious tasks to do, the more attention can be devoted to more pleasing parts of the game.

What if you consider MM a pleaseing part of the game? I enjoy trying to squeeze the most from a limited amount of land. MM is the best way to do this.

	17-08-2005 06:21									#14
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Then go play Victoria : tongue :

	17-08-2005 07:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Then go play Victoria : tongue :

It ain't easy to squeeze everything out of oyur country in Victoria. I played a game as Haiti, and I barelymanage to increase the GNP tenfold in one century (and the population fivefold).

I couldn't make Haiti into an economic Juggernaught despite my best efforts

	17-08-2005 07:56									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I disagree. Moddability can and will be the best feature even if the vanilla is amazing, because with the amount they are talking about, the game can be extended to a very extreme degree, not to mention converted into practically a different game. I have some very exciting ideas for the SDK, if it is as broad as I hope it is.

I agree completely there. The scope of moddability that we are being promised offers the potential for modders to do amazing things with the game engine, which will extend the game's active lifespan by quite a bit. Just look at EU2 for example; the vanilla game was certainly good, but undoubtedly the numerous mods for the game have extended its lifespan a bit... the EU2 forums at Paradox are still quite active even though the game has been out for almost 4 years now.

Aside from the modding, I believe the relgion idea also has some good potential, too.

	17-08-2005 14:58									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal What if you consider MM a pleaseing part of the game? I enjoy trying to squeeze the most from a limited amount of land. MM is the best way to do this.

Good on you, but every game again gets tedious to me. Besides, playing against the AI shouldn't require too much MM in my opinion. Against other players OTOH...

	17-08-2005 18:09									#18
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Civics. Maybe religion and the new combat system will also offer interesting decisions, but I know how I missed SMAC's social engineering when I played Civ3.

	17-08-2005 18:33									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor It ain't easy to squeeze everything out of oyur country in Victoria. I played a game as Haiti, and I barelymanage to increase the GNP tenfold in one century (and the population fivefold). I couldn't make Haiti into an economic Juggernaught despite my best efforts

Victoria is a hard game, thats for sure. Hearts of Iron is much easier. Conquering the U.S.A as Canada is childsplay in that game.

	17-08-2005 18:42									#20
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All of them combined, if delivered as promised and low on bugs, will make a great game. And that is what I am looking forward to. So no vote for a single option from me. Single features do not make a game great. The sum of all features does.

	17-08-2005 18:47									#21
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I voted 'other' as I'm most looking forward to the new possibilities for builders that the new engine offers. In that sense, I'm all for eye candy

My second choice would have been moddability. I had enormous fun in Civ3 adding new resources, tweaking game rules and generally wreaking havoc in the game files.

BTW, I wish I will be able to add terraforming capabilities in Civ4. I would really love to be able to raze/build mountains in the late game or do neat stuff like raising islands out of the ocean like they are currently doing in Dubai...

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	17-08-2005 19:05									#23
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It's all about the modding.

	17-08-2005 19:13									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie It's all about the modding.

I do appreciate the new modding capabilities, but I'll really enjoy it when you modders have your job done.
For now, I'm interested in the "city specialization", because I hate ICS. The early game is just a race for land.
And those GP could be a key feature to prevent it… I don’t really know, maybe it’s just wishful thinking.

	17-08-2005 19:17									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie It's all about the modding.

I agree that modding is very important to giving a game legs and life beyond the first experience.

but if this game can't stand on its own legs without support from heavy modding, then its gonna be a sad story, like CTP2 i guess.

	17-08-2005 19:41									#26
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Civics, with modding on a strong second place.

	17-08-2005 20:07									#27
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The modding, naturally.

	17-08-2005 20:11									#28
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Hey Solver, i just noticed, I think you misspelt Features

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It's one of the several words that I can never remember the proper spelling for .

	19-08-2005 08:28									#30
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I'm looking forward to how the civics options work. I've never played SMAC, but the idea of breaking down government-types into various options intrigues me. And, I hope anarchy has been toned-down a lot from Civ 3.