17-08-2005 13:37									#1
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In the last neighbourhood I was living there was a botched burglary turned murder 40 feet from my doorstep. Then there was another murder 2 blocks from my house (both victims were Hopkins undergrads)

Then two days before I moved there was a murder (would have been a double but they managed to save one of the victims) on the street 2 blocks from my new house on a Thursday night at 10 pm (which means that the street was full of people, given the preponderance of bars around here)

Tonight I looked outside and saw 3 police cars at a house across the street from mine dusting for fingerprints etc. in what appeared to be a burglary investigation

	17-08-2005 13:39									#2
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Baltimore, right?

That's where "Homicide: Life on the streets" was situated, right?

	17-08-2005 13:43									#3
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Yeah. My favourite TV show.

Actually, I'm now living 3 blocks from the building they used as the police HQ...

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Baltimore can be kind of rough. It's those drive through liquor stores Maryland has .

My relatives live in a farm south of Baltimore. It's along the patuxant river. Crime is almost non existant out in the middle of no where. For the longest time they never locked their doors. But recently they've had problems with homeless entering homes, so they do lock their doors now I believe.

the area where my relatives live is a nice area. I've been there many times. I like that part of maryland. But other parts of maryland have their issues...

	17-08-2005 13:52									#6
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Red X is my house, blue oval is Homicide Police HQ

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quote: Originally posted by Dis Baltimore can be kind of rough. It's those drive through liquor stores Maryland has

We don't have drive thoughs, and liquor stores can't open on Sundays. Also, grocery stores can't sell beer or wine.

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quote: Originally posted by Az Baltimore, right? That's where "Homicide: Life on the streets" was situated, right?

That was a damn good show. Amazing quality for TV.

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quote: That was a damn good show. Amazing quality for TV.

quote: Yeah. My favourite TV show.

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Blue oval is actual police HQ

Red oval is where all the strip clubs are

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	17-08-2005 14:23									#11
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Inner Harbor is only nice spot in that city

	17-08-2005 14:32									#12
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Inner Harbour is a stupid tourist trap with chain restaurants.

Fells Point (where I live) and Canton (next to me) are both very nice neighbourhoods.

The problem is that they're surrounded by ghettoes, as is every other nice neighbourhood in the city.

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I can't see a red oval

is that because I am colorblind?

one of the 5 (6?) liquor stores that are ~1 mile from my house (the farthest one, I think) is a drive through liquor store

JM

	17-08-2005 18:53									#14
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ah, Fells Point. Ah, Aliceanna Street.

Used to live in Tindeco - back when American Can was still an empty hulk, and there were still empty lots on the Canton waterfront.

We went up for Artscape a few weeks ago, and took a stroll around Bolton Hill.

What a sweet city.

	17-08-2005 18:57									#15
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best part of Baltimore

the "chain" block of John Street, in Bolton Hill.

The park blocks on Park Avenue, also in BH.

Hopkins Homewood Campus, some blocks in Charles Village.

Roland Park.

Mount Washington.

Read Street in Mount Vernon.

The markets, esp Broadway market, and the one in South Baltimore.

The view from Federal Hill park.

Patterson Park, the pagoda.

Morning Edition, in Butchers Hill, if its still there.

Thames street in Fells Point.

	17-08-2005 19:19									#16
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The town sucks because God hates you.

	17-08-2005 19:27									#17
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse In the last neighbourhood I was living there was a botched burglary turned murder 40 feet from my doorstep. Then there was another murder 2 blocks from my house (both victims were Hopkins undergrads) Then two days before I moved there was a murder (would have been a double but they managed to save one of the victims) on the street 2 blocks from my new house on a Thursday night at 10 pm (which means that the street was full of people, given the preponderance of bars around here) Tonight I looked outside and saw 3 police cars at a house across the street from mine dusting for fingerprints etc. in what appeared to be a burglary investigation

Either your city leaders are corrupt or incompetent. Probably just a kleptocracy. The attitude from the top flows down to the police. There's really no excuse, given how good the economy has been for a decade.

Washington is being cleaned up. Competent and incorruptible mayor. A city council with a majority that is keen to do business. The city used to have as many murders as Baltimore, but is much lower nowadays.

	17-08-2005 19:34									#18
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Homicide: Life On The Street was the best network TV show, ever.

Baltimore, however, makes Detroit look like Shangri-La. A couple of my friends went to Hopkins for med school or nursing school... they had a number of experiences similar to yours.

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quote: Originally posted by Dis My relatives live in a farm south of Baltimore. It's along the patuxant river. Crime is almost non existant out in the middle of no where. For the longest time they never locked their doors. But recently they've had problems with homeless entering homes, so they do lock their doors now I believe.

Wow-- I've never experienced homelss "in the middle of nowhere"-- heck in Calgary they don't even come out to the suburbs as it is too far to walk to a liquor store or methadone clinic plus all the shelters and good outdoor places to hunker down are in the downtown.

Is rural homelessness common? I grew up in a very small and pretty poor town but EVERYONE had a roof over their head

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And I thought Hull was bad

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Sadly, Baltimore is better off than it was 8-10 years ago. O'Malley has had a herculean task of cleaning up the 16 years of mess left to him by Kurt Schmoke, one of history's most corrupt politicians.

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i have no use for baltimore... nuke it for all i care

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You should visit the Bay Cafe on Boston street next time you're in town, lotm (during any reasonably warm day)

Don't know about the food in the restaurant section, but there's a "beach" bar there that has to be seen to be believed (facing the water)

Unbelievable. Palm trees, sand, tiki torches.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Sadly, Baltimore is better off than it was 8-10 years ago. O'Malley has had a herculean task of cleaning up the 16 years of mess left to him by Kurt Schmoke, one of history's most corrupt politicians.

Yup.

O'Malley seems like a nice enough fellow, but I get the feeling that he's an ant trying to move a mountain.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse You should visit the Bay Cafe on Boston street next time you're in town, lotm (during any reasonably warm day) Don't know about the food in the restaurant section, but there's a "beach" bar there that has to be seen to be believed (facing the water) Unbelievable. Palm trees, sand, tiki torches.

I was there when the bay cafe opened. I even attended a protest meeting of Tindeco renters and Canton cove owners about the noise (which was reduced, a little) ive eaten there many times - its pricey for the food, but it was an easy place to take an infant, and we didnt have to get in the car. I met the owner, and heard the story about his trip to the West Indies that inspired the palm trees.

Before they put in the beach bar, that was nice little garden.

They also used to deliver food to your chair, at the Tindeco pool.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Is rural homelessness common? I grew up in a very small and pretty poor town but EVERYONE had a roof over their head

Seeing you're in Canada, maybe you have the same effect as we have; that homeless out of big cities with underground and the like tend to freeze in death in winter.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Seeing you're in Canada, maybe you have the same effect as we have; that homeless out of big cities with underground and the like tend to freeze in death in winter.

Well true-- a homeless person in the countyside would die without some shelter. But we don't have such deaths in rural areas.

As I said, I don't think there are very many rural homeless at all. Maybe its because housing is cheaper and more available so they get provided a roof

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I was there when the bay cafe opened. I even attended a protest meeting of Tindeco renters and Canton cove owners about the noise (which was reduced, a little) ive eaten there many times - its pricey for the food, but it was an easy place to take an infant, and we didnt have to get in the car. I met the owner, and heard the story about his trip to the West Indies that inspired the palm trees. Before they put in the beach bar, that was nice little garden. They also used to deliver food to your chair, at the Tindeco pool.

Nice.

EDIT: Knew where Tindeco was, but was unsure if Bay Cafe had opened before you moved

	17-08-2005 23:41									#29
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I was completely unimpressed by Baltimore when driving through it last month. It looked like the South Side of Chicago.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Sadly, Baltimore is better off than it was 8-10 years ago. O'Malley has had a herculean task of cleaning up the 16 years of mess left to him by Kurt Schmoke, one of history's most corrupt politicians.

At least you could get good weed when Mayor Schmoke ran Baltimore.