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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:37
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Full fathom five thy fable lies....
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A submerged island that could be the source of the Atlantis myth was hit by a large earthquake and tsunami 12,000 years ago, a geologist has discovered.
Spartel Island now lies 60m under the sea in the Straits of Gibraltar, but some think it once lay above water.
The finding adds weight to a hypothesis that the island could have inspired the legend recounted by the philosopher Plato more than 2,000 years ago.
Evidence comes from a seafloor survey published in the journal Geology.
Marc-André Gutscher of the University of Western Brittany in Plouzané, France, found a coarse-grained sedimentary deposit that is 50-120cm thick and could have been left behind after a tsunami.
Dr Gutscher said that the destruction described by Plato is consistent with a great earthquake and tsunami similar to the one that devastated the city of Lisbon in Portugal in 1755, generating waves with heights of up to 10m.
Some think the Atlantis legend was inspired by real events
The thick "turbidite" deposit results from sediments that have been shaken up by underwater geological upheavals.
It was found to date to around 12,000 years ago - roughly the age indicated by Plato for the destruction of Atlantis, Dr Gutscher reports in Geology.
Spartel Island, in the Gulf of Cadiz, was proposed as a candidate for the origin of the Atlantis legend in 2001 by French geologist Jacques Collina-Girard.
It is "in front of the Pillars of Hercules", or the Straits of Gibraltar, as Plato described. The philosopher said the fabled island civilisation had been destroyed in a single day and night, disappearing below the sea.
Sedimentary records reveal that events like the 1755 Lisbon earthquake occur every 1,500 to 2,000 years in the Gulf of Cadiz.
But the mapping of the island carried out by Dr Gutscher failed to turn up any manmade structures and also showed that the island was much smaller than previously believed.
This could make it less likely that the island was inhabited by a civilisation. (Boo- killjoys)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4153008.stm
Old Plato's tectonics were right after all !
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child of Thor
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There is a place of the west coast of wales that has long been the source of an atlantis type myth. When the tide is low it exposes the roots of a petrified forest and there are tales of people hearing bells tolling from under the sea. It also features in the mabinogion texts(old welsh tales written down in the early middle ages).
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child of Thor
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a world without myths is a world without passion. You obviously dont have to believe them(like you would say need to believe in god to be a christian), but they do add some nice 'colour' to the story that is us.
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
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Originally posted by child of Thor
@ Az  just as i said - i like the myths of all the nations of the world(Greek/Roman/Native Amercian/Papuan/British etc). I think a world without the Illiad or Homer(Simpson too while i think of it- a modern american 'myth'), no Achilles, no Finn MacCool. Plus 'real' history goes back how far? not that far in all areas of the world where stuff was happening before writting became cool. So another usefull part of myth.
A hollow world imho. The real world is fine, but its the story that often inspires. Myths have a place - no need to be so down on them Sava  they aren't threating you by their existence |
I can just tell you what I think about the ancient history of my people, and let me just say that in all probability, the story of the old testament, even with all of it's wonders, is far less interesting and amazing than how the real story emerges: It has Religious strife, the mixing of several tribal and nationalidentities, the creation of great systems of government and faith, Orgies  , and much more - place all of this in the bronze age, and you'll get just how amazing all of this was - It kicks the **** out of the "TEH AMAZING BEARDED LADY" kind of stuff that goes in the bible, which is nothing substantially more than physical magic.
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Bill3000
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of Soloralism
Jul 1999
time: 00:37
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Originally posted by Az
I can just tell you what I think about the ancient history of my people, and let me just say that in all probability, the story of the old testament, even with all of it's wonders, is far less interesting and amazing than how the real story emerges: It has Religious strife, the mixing of several tribal and nationalidentities, the creation of great systems of government and faith, Orgies , and much more - place all of this in the bronze age, and you'll get just how amazing all of this was - It kicks the **** out of the "TEH AMAZING BEARDED LADY" kind of stuff that goes in the bible, which is nothing substantially more than physical magic. |
agreed. The real jewish/isrealite history is far more interesting than the one portrayed in the Torah/Bible, especially IMO the histories that show how the religion developed.
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