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Rufus T. Firefly is offline Rufus T. Firefly
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I actually remember seeing the LA Times article that gives rise to this piece from Slate, and I remember thinking, "Pedophiles? Star Trek? WTF?" The rest of the piece is fairly academic-nonsensical, but the original question remains:

"Pedophiles? Star Trek? WTF?"

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The New Scholarship on Star Trek and Pedophilia: 'Don't Let Her Touch Your Wand, Jim!' In May, Yale cyberlaw expert Ernest Miller noticed an astonishing tidbit in a Los Angeles Times story on the Toronto police Sex Crimes Unit's pursuit of pedophiles:

All but one of the [over 100] offenders they have arrested in the last four years was a hard-core Trekkie.


Miller was skeptical but the cops basically stood by their story--at the least, a "majority of those arrested show 'at least a passing interest in Star Trek, if not a strong interest.'" Not just an interest in science fiction generally, mind you. But Star Trek.

The conventional explanation for this seemingly bizarre correlation was that pedophiles must simply be trying to use an interest in Star Trek as a device to lure their prey. But Ellen Ladowsky, an L.A. therapist, thinks there actually is something inherent in the show itself that makes it "irresistible to perverts.". She lays out her case in HuffPost. Sample:

[W]hen it comes to relationships off the ship, Captain Kirk displays a truly astonishing emotional poverty. He goes from planet to planet, having trysts with an assortment of nubile women, but never forms any real attachments. ... [snip] ...There's a pervasive message that women are toxic. In an episode called Cat's Paw, there is an evil sorceress who separates the crew from each other and from the starship. The perpetually indignant Dr. McCoy cautions Kirk, "Don't let her touch your wand Jim, or you'll lose all your power!["] On the very rare occasions where Kirk seems to find love, his partners quickly die off. After one of his loves has croaked, Kirk admonishes Spock "Love, you're better off without it." [Emphasis added]

Ladowsky argues pedophiles naturally identify with the crew's "utopian interracial and interplanetary world" as a model for "denial of the difference between the sexes and the difference between the generations." And then there are the monsters:

[I]f the pedophiles are identifying with the crew members, who do the monsters represent? Possibly aspects of the pedophile's mind that are split off because they are unthinkable, and projected into someone else. On the Enterprise, aggressive impulses aren't battling it out with libidinal ones as they are here on earth. In the Star Trek universe, every "bad" impulse is attributed to an external force. When it comes to sex, for example, it's always an outside influence that takes possession of the crew's minds and bodies, causing them to behave in erotically driven ways. Child molesters have a similar mechanism at work. They deny having any sexual impulses themselves; they frequently claim that it was the children who seduced them.

Ladowsky only discusses the original Star Trek series, not the Next Generation and subsequent follow-ups. But her post certainly seems a big step in the direction of an actual explanation. Give her tenure!


http://www.slate.com/id/2124546/?nav=tap3#ladowskytrek

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Make all star trek fans wear a big white 'S' on their clothes so children know to stay away

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Didn't we go through this one a few months ago?

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Is there another reason you were gone so long, Sava?

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It makes sense to me - I hate Star Trek and it gives me a reason to dislike Trekkies.

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Didn't we go through this one a few months ago?



yes we did

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Did we ? I missed that actually. How did it turn out?

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Did we ? I missed that actually. How did it turn out?



oh the usual gay **** arguments.

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Were there any gay people on Star Trek? And, if so, where they allowed to wed?

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Were there any gay people on Star Trek? And, if so, where they allowed to wed?
actually, there's a gay and lesbian group that attacks star trek for its lack of gay characters

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* DinoDoc wonders if he should mention that he owns all 3 seasons of TOS on DVD

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you don't know how funny that thread title sounds in dutch

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so if trekkies are pedophiles.. or to be more correct, pedophiles are trekkis.. then what about Star Wars? What are they?

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So, if you're not a child molester, you are a wuss?
Let me guess.. trekkie?

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I always new them trekkies were up to no good.

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so if trekkies are pedophiles.. or to be more correct, pedophiles are trekkis.. then what about Star Wars? What are they?


Furries?

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So, if you're not a child molester, you are a wuss?
Let me guess.. trekkie?


nonono you got me all wrong

'trekken' means to pull
so push ...

ah whatever...

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you don't know how funny that thread title sounds in dutch


Actually I do.

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dannubis, obviously that's not what you really meant. You sick, sick man..

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you were the one to make the assumpion SC...

and you are the one living in the dark for six months on end

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No I was not. You clearly meant what I think you meant, besides, how do you know what I mean? YOu sick, sick perverted sad man..

 
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