23-08-2005 04:41									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Stop squirming and answer

Don't want to waste time on answering his claims of WW II ending faster - that has it's own thread.

About the danish soldier that hs died - well, yes, it's sad, but my guess is that he has prevented many more deaths of Iraquis, so yes, danish soldiers are doing a damn good job. So are other soldiers stationed in Iraq.

MOBIOUS is just some whining person that exploits the lowest in people - actually, I think he is one of the most egoistic persons I have ever encountered at this site. He doesn't care **** about anyone as long as he can use them in his point of wiew.

	23-08-2005 04:43									#92
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I've met MOBIUS several times and I can confirm that you are talking utter crap. It's because you don't like what he is saying because he has a point

	23-08-2005 04:43									#93
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	23-08-2005 04:46									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Why the hell would anyone bother to seriously answer one of MOBIUS' posts?

Personally if I were someone that had been proved consistently wrong for the last few years, I'd try my level best to ignore the painful truth and hope it goes away...

Fact is they don't answer because they can't, and we all know why that is don't we PH?

	23-08-2005 04:48									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I've met MOBIUS several times and I can confirm that you are talking utter crap. It's because you don't like what he is saying because he has a point

Well, He might be different in RL, but I only have what he posts here, and that might have give me a wrong picture of how he really are - though, as long as I haven't met him, I must judge from his postings - wich I so do.

	23-08-2005 04:54									#96
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Why? It's a perfectly relevant question.

	23-08-2005 04:56									#97
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PH, are you and mobius opposed to all wars?

	23-08-2005 04:58									#98
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Personally if I were someone that had been proved consistently wrong for the last few years, I'd try my level best to ignore the painful truth and hope it goes away...

You're too dense to actually comprehend your pwnage.

	23-08-2005 05:03									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Why? It's a perfectly relevant question.

You have lost me - wich question have he asked that are relevant ?

	23-08-2005 05:08									#100
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither PH, are you and mobius opposed to all wars?

Of course we are - I mean, you don't generally desire them now?

	23-08-2005 05:10									#101
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Don't want to waste time on answering his claims of WW II ending faster - that has it's own thread.

Why not? What better way to stick it to me and prove everyone what a prize ass I am by proving me wrong - unless of course I am right?

And then if I'm right about that - what else am I right about?

quote: About the danish soldier that hs died - well, yes, it's sad, but my guess is that he has prevented many more deaths of Iraquis, so yes, danish soldiers are doing a damn good job. So are other soldiers stationed in Iraq.

Your guess? Is that the best you can do? guess?

See, I don't have to guess, I know for a fact that more Iraqis are dead as a direct result of your intervention - that soldier is dead because of the policies you support! If we hadn't invaded he would still be alive, as would countless thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians...

quote: MOBIOUS is just some whining person that exploits the lowest in people - actually, I think he is one of the most egoistic persons I have ever encountered at this site. He doesn't care **** about anyone as long as he can use them in his point of wiew.

You just hate me because you don't want to admit you're wrong. Perhaps I make you feel stupid because you have no counter to my arguments? I'm guessing that is why the more I try to pin you down and get you to answer my points, the more personal and insulting you get...

So insult away...

	23-08-2005 05:10									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Of course we are - I mean, you don't generally desire them now?

So, who gets to shriek at you and mob for supporting policies that left a cruel dictator in place who proceeded to murder hundreds of thousands of his own citizens?

	23-08-2005 05:11									#103
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PH, would you be in favour of armed intervention in the Sudan?

	23-08-2005 05:13									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You're too dense to actually comprehend your pwnage.

How exactly am I owned?

The only people here refusing to answer the arguments by resorting to personal insults are you and your cohorts...

Keep digging, the more you try to shift the blame the more your position appears untenable to neutral observers...

	23-08-2005 05:14									#105
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither PH, would you be in favour of armed intervention in the Sudan?

Not unless all other options are exhausted such as sanctions. And we all know how ineffective they ended up being in Iraq.

	23-08-2005 05:19									#106
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Well then, the policies you support, nonintervention, are resulting in hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of deaths. What an awful human being you are.

At the same time, you get extremely upset by far fewer deaths due to an action against a dictator who, if not a danger to other nations, was certainly a very grave danger to many of his own people.

What was that word mob used? Hypocrite? Just who does it apply to?

	23-08-2005 05:36									#107
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Well then, the policies you support, nonintervention, are resulting in hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of deaths. What an awful human being you are. At the same time, you get extremely upset by far fewer deaths due to an action against a dictator who, if not a danger to other nations, was certainly a very grave danger to many of his own people. What was that word mob used? Hypocrite? Just who does it apply to?

Of course I am opposed to war - who could possibly be for war!!?

It frankly amazes me how after thousands of years of 'civilisation' we are still so ready to resort to war...

Sometimes however you have to take up arms because if you do not you yourself risk destruction - I am not so much a pacifist that I would rather die than defend myself.

Though it is interesting that you compare Iraq to Sudan - which situation do you think was more deserving of international intervention?

Indeed if we were so keen to invade Iraq on 'humanitarian grounds' why haven't we rushed to address the genocide that Bush says is happening in the Sudan?

	23-08-2005 05:38									#108
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS How exactly am I owned?

By being the spitting image of the strawmen the inane righties so lovingly tear down all the time.

If the question "Why do you hate America?" can be seriously asked of you, by rightists, rather than jokingly presented by leftists, you lose immediately.

	23-08-2005 05:42									#109
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Why not? What better way to stick it to me and prove everyone what a prize ass I am by proving me wrong - unless of course I am right? And then if I'm right about that - what else am I right about?

Why should I bother to comment something that a whole thread has done ? Oh, and that thread proved you wrong, so you have no reason to gloat.

quote: Your guess? Is that the best you can do? guess? See, I don't have to guess, I know for a fact that more Iraqis are dead as a direct result of your intervention - that soldier is dead because of the policies you support! If we hadn't invaded he would still be alive, as would countless thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians...

No, you don't KNOW that, you think that you know according to your wiew. Of course you are right that the danish soldier is dead because of his job in Iraq, but he is not dead because of the policy - he is dead because some people don't want Iraquis to decide for themself.

quote: You just hate me because you don't want to admit you're wrong. Perhaps I make you feel stupid because you have no counter to my arguments? I'm guessing that is why the more I try to pin you down and get you to answer my points, the more personal and insulting you get... So insult away...

Actually, I don't hate you - I can't remember anyone that I actually hate, I just find you quite funny and amusing because you are so far out that it is diffcult to give sensible answers to your rants. The problem with you is that you don't make sensible claims that it is possible to make comprehensible ansers to. PH claims that you are qiute reasonable in RL, but sorry to say it, you haven't demonstrated it here.

Funny thing, I have already a pretty good imagination of what you will answer

	23-08-2005 05:43									#110
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	23-08-2005 05:45									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Sava is marijuana legal in denmark?

Nope. Why do you think that MOBIEUS are hooked on marijuana ?

	23-08-2005 05:53									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker By being the spitting image of the strawmen the inane righties so lovingly tear down all the time.

Well tear away then - cos all I'm getting right now is smokescreens and bluster interlaced with personal attacks...

quote: If the question "Why do you hate America?" can be seriously asked of you, by rightists, rather than jokingly presented by leftists, you lose immediately.

Yet another baffling personal attack, I'm afraid...

The problem is that you take things personally and that clouds your judgement - I don't hate America. However I am highly critical of American policies in Iraq, but then so am I of my own government and have frequently criticised Blair and our involvement just as vociferously...

I guess it's just that none of the British posters defend our govt's position in the manner that US posters do thus my replies are naturally US centric because I end up talking to Americans - it's not exactly rocket science, but apparently now I hate America...

	23-08-2005 06:16									#113
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Why should I bother to comment something that a whole thread has done ? Oh, and that thread proved you wrong, so you have no reason to gloat.

So your refusal to comment means that you don't believe that more time has elapsed since 9/11 and now, than the amount of time that the US was at war in WWII?

And no I haven't been proved wrong basically because no one appeared to be able to address Ted Striker's points, which are the essence of my thread - seems all the righties ran away when they ran out of answers as usual...

quote: No, you don't KNOW that, you think that you know according to your wiew. Of course you are right that the danish soldier is dead because of his job in Iraq, but he is not dead because of the policy - he is dead because some people don't want Iraquis to decide for themself.

Anyone without their head buried in the sand for the last few years knows full well that many more Iraqis are dying now on a day to day basis than when under Saddam's control in the run up to the invasion and that figure is accelerating!

Currently five times as many according to that article and that is not including the untold number of innocents that must have died during the invasion...

Actually I suggest he is dead precisely because some Iraqis did decide for themselves.

quote: Actually, I don't hate you - I can't remember anyone that I actually hate, I just find you quite funny and amusing because you are so far out that it is diffcult to give sensible answers to your rants. The problem with you is that you don't make sensible claims that it is possible to make comprehensible ansers to. PH claims that you are qiute reasonable in RL, but sorry to say it, you haven't demonstrated it here.

What is difficult to comprehend?

They are perfectly easy questions to answer. It is just that you choose not to by attempting to pour scorn on them. Classic evasion tactics.

quote: Funny thing, I have already a pretty good imagination of what you will answer

You mean stop squirming and answer the questions!

Wow, you're clever...

	23-08-2005 06:43									#114
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Of course I am opposed to war - who could possibly be for war!!? It frankly amazes me how after thousands of years of 'civilisation' we are still so ready to resort to war... Sometimes however you have to take up arms because if you do not you yourself risk destruction - I am not so much a pacifist that I would rather die than defend myself.

No, you're just fanatically opposed to any war where your neighbours might get shot, all the while being perfectly willing to sit idly by and let hundreds of thousands of 'them' die.

Whose live is worth more, mob? That fellow from Manchester or Birmingham, or those 10 or 100 from Iraq or Sudan?

Why do you shriek so when something is done that will result in fewer deaths over time?

quote: Though it is interesting that you compare Iraq to Sudan - which situation do you think was more deserving of international intervention Indeed if we were so keen to invade Iraq on 'humanitarian grounds' why haven't we rushed to address the genocide that Bush says is happening in the Sudan?

I'd be all for an armed intervention in the Sudan, for one of the reasons that I was all for Bush and Blair going into Iraq. It will save lives over the long run. Would you be for it? Or are 'they' not worth it?

	23-08-2005 07:23									#115
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither No, you're just fanatically opposed to any war where your neighbours might get shot, all the while being perfectly willing to sit idly by and let hundreds of thousands of 'them' die. Whose live is worth more, mob? That fellow from Manchester or Birmingham, or those 10 or 100 from Iraq or Sudan? Why do you shriek so when something is done that will result in fewer deaths over time?

Why is it when anyone argues on Poly they automatically assume they know exactly what the other person is thinking!!?

You have absolutely no clue...

The main reason I condemn outright the war in Iraq was that when you have limited resources (even the US has limited resources, as Iraq has proved!), you have to pick and choose your fights accordingly...

Firstly you need to prioritise: Afghanistan!

Secondly you need to be consistent: Sudan!

In the list of priorities Iraq shouldn't have even been on the radar, there were other nations to deal with first like NK, Iran etc...

Now with so many troops sucked into Iraq, we would find it extremely difficult to intervene anywhere else - so no, in the short term huge numbers are dying in Sudan (and Iraq) and will continue to do so in the long term because we have our hands full actively trying to make things worse for ourselves - in the long run! More people will die overall by intervening in Iraq and not intervening in Sudan!

quote: I'd be all for an armed intervention in the Sudan, for one of the reasons that I was all for Bush and Blair going into Iraq. It will save lives over the long run. Would you be for it? Or are 'they' not worth it?

You know, I always thought genocide took priority over an illegal regime change any time - but what do I know...?

	23-08-2005 08:19									#116
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Why is it when anyone argues on Poly they automatically assume they know exactly what the other person is thinking!!? You have absolutely no clue...

Right back at you, bub.

You have no idea why many people who were for Iraq were for it, yet you insist on shrieking at them and generally making a fool of yourself.

'Nuf said.

Here's your head back. I'm done with it.

	23-08-2005 10:28									#117
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In my view there's nothing insulting or personal about exposing MOBIUS' postings for what they are - painfully naïve, offensive in their suggestions of the motives of his opposition, rambling to a quite ridiculous extent, and generally not worth anybody's time.

	23-08-2005 13:24									#118
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	23-08-2005 15:30									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Winston In my view there's nothing insulting or personal about exposing MOBIUS' postings for what they are - painfully naïve, offensive in their suggestions of the motives of his opposition, rambling to a quite ridiculous extent, and generally not worth anybody's time.

So what are you trying to say? See, evasion again. Just answer rather than make personal attacks.

And as for my opposition of war, what it is achieving at the moment? Civil war in Iraq, no capture of OBL and yet has dealt with very few issues going on. But before we even get this far we need to get back to basics, the cause of these problems. Who was it who originally backed OBL? Who originally backed Hussein? Are we seeing a correllation yet? You may think you are the knight in shining armour of the planet, but the reality is, you just cause more problems than you solve. And quite often, don't even solve anything! And you really expect me to have belief in your imperialist wars of conquest in being something but that?

I am curious but why do all the Danes at this place seem to be screaming righties? Do we have any lefty Danes present?

	23-08-2005 16:15									#120
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@MOBIUS: Nobody gives an armadillo's piss for what you know. Show us that the Iraq war has caused a net increase in deaths.

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker If the question "Why do you hate America?" can be seriously asked of you, by rightists, rather than jokingly presented by leftists, you lose immediately.

Since when is not hating America a prerequisite for participating in debate?