20-08-2005 04:05									#1
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It's amazing to see how addictive Civ is to us. Why do we bother to talk about a game that does not exist yet ? Or at least, a game which doesn't exist for us.

To begin I wanted to post a poll, but the question is much too difficult. Poll isn't, in this case, a suitable means of expression.

I like civilization because:
- I like history and political science (I've got a master degree in political science)
- I like strategy, negociations, calculation etc...
- I don't like the stress of RTS. I want something to aerate my brain.
- I'm megalomaniac.

And you ?

	20-08-2005 05:20									#2
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pretty much the same reasons

	20-08-2005 06:01									#3
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history- I learned many things reading Call to Power addendum. CivIII didn´t add a trace of history in the game though

	20-08-2005 06:43									#4
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When its late at night or bad weather I sit here & listen to music and or the news. Plus I love the graphics & history anyway.Also its relaxes my brain while I rock on.

	20-08-2005 11:52									#5
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I like building and like strategy. Turn based means ability to stop anytime so I can be with my family and play at the same time.

	20-08-2005 11:52									#6
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guess it would be - in no particular order

empire building
blood lusting or peace loving
negotiations with real players
city management (yes I said it)
just one more turn

	20-08-2005 12:37									#7
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Like others have said...I like the strategy, but I don't necessarily always want the pressure of a real-time game. Civ allows for a good bit more complexity, which leads to more interesting decisions. It's more than just a clickfest

	20-08-2005 13:23									#8
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Civ seems to be the perfect mix of genres.

I play it as both a builder and a conquerer (a hybrid style). I have a lot of fun building up my empire, and then I have a lot of fun tearing others down.

but I don't like the individual styles. For instance I don't care for games such as Sim City 3000. They just seem boring to me. Even though I love building a grand society. And I don't really care for hardcore wargames either. They are too tedious.

	20-08-2005 13:53									#9
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I can build stuff and watch TV at the same time.

	20-08-2005 15:03									#10
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It combines the joy of extinguishing incredibly irritating states (yes, Zulus and Mongols, I'm looking at YOU) with the obscene pleasure of developing your own cities into crosses between Paris, Venice, Amsterdam and London and amassing vast amounts of wealth with the kind of trading links that would have made the East India Company and the V.O.C. wet their collective pantaloons and froth into their cakes and ales.


Oh, and the kind of research that would have delighted a child of al Biruni and Marie Curie, or Aristotle and Mary the Jewess.

	20-08-2005 15:12									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit history- I learned many things reading Call to Power addendum. CivIII didn´t add a trace of history in the game though

When I was (very) young, the Civ civilopedia was quite interesting. It was Civ 1... Civ2 's civilopedia was ok. Civ3's one s.ucked.

	20-08-2005 16:11									#12
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte It's amazing to see how addictive Civ is to us. Why do we bother to talk about a game that does not exist yet ? Or at least, a game which doesn't exist for us. To begin I wanted to post a poll, but the question is much too difficult. Poll isn't, in this case, a suitable means of expression. I like civilization because: - I like history and political science (I've got a master degree in political science) - I like strategy, negociations, calculation etc... - I don't like the stress of RTS. I want something to aerate my brain. - I'm megalomaniac. And you ?

Same for me, except that I suck at calculation and strategy

	20-08-2005 18:45									#13
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I like the strategy and continuity. The problem with the mainstream strategy games is that you always have to re-invent the same stuff over and over and whatever force you gained you loose the next mission. This is why you only need to make tactical decisions (although they call it strategy games )

And off course I very much like to see my empire grow...

I also like the fact that is turn based although if there was a way in which movement is also continuous without losing the ability to govern your empire/cities/trade it would be ok too.

	20-08-2005 19:24									#14
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I like games where you start with almost nothing, but end up with ruling the world (which is why I don't like scenarios)
I also like to take my time instead of being stressed like in most RTS games

	20-08-2005 19:48									#15
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quote: I also like to take my time instead of being stressed like in most RTS games

Main reason.

	21-08-2005 00:52									#16
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I realized I suck at RTS after playing command and conquer. I was only able to beat the first mission . I like to build slowly, but the computer doesn't.

as I always say. The turns are in spans of years to 50 years. It only makes sense the game is turn based. If it's not, you are essentually taking a decision that you have 50 years to make, and condensing it into a microsecond.

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quote: Originally posted by Dis I realized I suck at RTS after playing command and conquer. I was only able to beat the first mission . I like to build slowly, but the computer doesn't.

Me it was at Age of Empire...

	21-08-2005 03:47									#18
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same here!

	21-08-2005 04:28									#19
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Got an active thread going here,but this is the only one I've replied to, so there. And this is only PC game I play. Why? Its the strategy & building graphics.Open end possibility to kick ass even when you lose by score. Just one more turn!

	21-08-2005 05:33									#20
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AOE,RON they are over fast , click fests as well...not much fun

	21-08-2005 05:35									#21
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hope civ4 will focus more on those extras that everybody likes

	21-08-2005 13:12									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex AOE,RON they are over fast , click fests as well...not much fun

AoE yes, RoN no. RoN is defently of the "slower" types of RTS games, so there's more time to actually think about what you're doing

Of course it kinda depends on what game you're playing. If you play a game with all settings set to fast then it becomes a click fest

	22-08-2005 06:13									#23
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Today, after 8 years of playing, civ is simply part of my life, part of my own identity. I don't have to like it - it is and will be.

	23-08-2005 01:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio AoE yes, RoN no. RoN is defently of the "slower" types of RTS games, so there's more time to actually think about what you're doing

No, RON is as well a click fest. If you actually thinking in RoN, then you will lose the game. (Single player is an exception, you can pause it).

In RoN, when you start a game, you have to already know you build order (how many farms, what building, technology to get and so on). And then it is just an execution of the plan, with minor variations. But you can not possibly decide during the game what is better to build one more farm or to research a technology that improve the farming. This things you have to know in advance.

So what is left there is a tactical portion, which is still good, but it is no CIV at all despite all similarities.

	23-08-2005 01:46									#25
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Its my primitive desire to build my own bastion and destroy the competitors that keeps me playing. Same reason I love games like Stronghold 2, Caesar 3 and C&C clones..

	23-08-2005 01:48									#26
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I know it's not Civ, but I was comparing to other RTS games

	23-08-2005 02:05									#27
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I like thinking. Civ makes you think. All others rely on your ability, or more like your computers ability, to scroll to problem areas.

	23-08-2005 02:34									#28
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Immersion and scope.

	23-08-2005 03:15									#29
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte I like civilization because: - I like history and political science (I've got a master degree in political science) - I like strategy, negociations, calculation etc... - I don't like the stress of RTS. I want something to aerate my brain. - I'm megalomaniac.

Exactly the same (even the degree in political science part )

Edit: Well, in more details, here's what I like in Civ games:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

	23-08-2005 03:42									#30
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I have always been a fanatical PC gamer, I grew up playing the original Command & Conquer and came back to every single release after (exception being Generals which I heard made even God cry). I played many different types of PC games, but if you would have asked me what type I played most it would have most certainly been RTS.

But all that is gone now. I stumbled upon Alpha Centauri, an odd so-called "Turn-Based" game which I was not familiar. I loved it because I could BUILD do DIPLOMACY and CONQUER my enemies all in one game. Then I found Civilization 3. It surpassed SMAC and pulled me in kicking and screaming.

Civ3 was one of the ONLY games I brought to college with me. And I know for a fact Civ4 will be one of the only games I buy with college money. I love Civ for its open endedness, for its history, strategy both on and off the battlefield and most of all MAKING ME THINK.