20-08-2005 08:25									#1
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Some thoughts on HP.

Well, you slugs have discovered that the Sorting Hat is a Gryfindor articfact.

Why wasn't Percy a Slytheryn? He's never shown an ounce of bravery and he's always been overly ambitious?

Why couldn't Harry see the thestrals at the end of GoF?

HP can't be a horcrux unless there's more than one way to make one. Priori incatatum! When Voldimort's wand began regurgitating it's spells at the climax of GoF, the horcrux spell wasn't one of them.

At the begining of OotP, they mention finding a heavy locket while cleaning 12 Grimauld Place. Could it be the missing Slytheryn locket Regulus took (assuming Regulus took it)?

	20-08-2005 08:27									#2
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quote: Why wasn't Percy a Slytheryn? He's never shown an ounce of bravery and he's always been overly ambitious?

The explanations I've seen posit that the Sorting Hat sees potential that may or may not be realized.

quote: Why couldn't Harry see the thestrals at the end of GoF?

JKR says because the death has to "sink in".

quote: HP can't be a horcrux unless there's more than one way to make one. Priori incatatum! When Voldimort's wand began regurgitating it's spells at the climax of GoF, the horcrux spell wasn't one of them.

Given that the Prior Incantatum scene was broken anyway (James came out before Lily), I wouldn't use this as evidence.

quote: At the begining of OotP, they mention finding a heavy locket while cleaning 12 Grimauld Place. Could it be the missing Slytheryn locket Regulus took (assuming Regulus took it)?

Yes, that's the idea. It is also probably the locket that Mundungus took.

	20-08-2005 08:30									#3
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HP was screwed over by Carly.

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	20-08-2005 08:31									#4
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	20-08-2005 08:35									#5
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What's a horcrux?

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If you ain't read the books, you won't understand.

	20-08-2005 08:38									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: HP can't be a horcrux unless there's more than one way to make one. Priori incatatum! When Voldimort's wand began regurgitating it's spells at the climax of GoF, the horcrux spell wasn't one of them. Given that the Prior Incantatum scene was broken anyway (James came out before Lily), I wouldn't use this as evidence.

Not in my book. Lily tells Harry to wait for his father. James is the last to come out.

	20-08-2005 08:40									#8
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wtf

quote: Harry, his arms shaking madly now, looked back into the ghostly face of his father. "Your mother's coming ..." he said quietly. "She wants to see you ... it will be all right ... hold on..."

Straight from my copy open on the desk.

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Also, it's possible to do magic - unfocused and uncontrolled magic - without a wand. Since Voldemort likely didn't say the incantation to create a horcrux, if he made Harry a horcrux it would be with wandless magic.

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Interesting mine says [reading straight from the book in my lap]:

quote: The smokey shadow of a woman with long hair fell to the ground as Bertha had done, straightened up, and looked at him . . . Harry, his arms shaking madly now, looked back into the ghostly face of his mother. "Your father's coming . . ." she said quietly. "Hold on for your father . . . it will be all right . . . hold on. . . ."

Mine's a paperback copy.

	20-08-2005 08:46									#11
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Is yours the hardcover version?

	20-08-2005 08:47									#12
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I doubt you could do a horcrux as unfocused, uncontroled magic.

	20-08-2005 08:48									#13
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I don't. I bet anything could happen, depending on the mental and emotional state of the wizard.

	20-08-2005 08:54									#14
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After the AK spell backfired, Voldimort was bodiless. The only power he had was minor posession, which seems to preclude casting a major spell like the horcux.

I wonder how he recovered his wand. Maybe Pettigrew kept it?

	20-08-2005 09:34									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker wtf quote: Harry, his arms shaking madly now, looked back into the ghostly face of his father. "Your mother's coming ..." he said quietly. "She wants to see you ... it will be all right ... hold on..." Straight from my copy open on the desk.

Yes, originally in GoF, the order was wrong. Because they come out backwards, as if in reverse, it should be his mother who comes out first, then his father.

Che has the paperback version, which came out after the mistake was noticed. So they corrected it there.

I have two copies of GoF, one with the mistake, one without.

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I can't believe the other thread went to 680 replies.

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well, we had some people, such as myself, who hadn't read the series beofre, but then started reading..

and was very favorably impressed

JM

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I resisted for years, because they were so popular I figured they had to be tripe. Then I saw the movie Chamber of Secrets and was curious. I first read the books two years ago. Then I read them to my wife. Now I'm rereading them all after JKR said that careful rereaders would be able to figure out one of the horcruxes.

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That's the story all adult-HP-fans' lives.

I heard about them by word of mouth in 1998. I was skeptical, but after reading the description of Albus Dumbledore, halfway through the first chapter (The Boy Who Lived) , I was hooked.

	20-08-2005 10:05									#20
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I actually read the first book last year..

and wasn't hooked (I thought it was ok)

after the renewed hubub of the newest book, I decided to try again

this time thety stuck

JM

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quote: Originally posted by Asher HP was screwed over by Carly. IBM > HP

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Would you hit it?

	20-08-2005 20:15									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara After the AK spell backfired, Voldimort was bodiless. The only power he had was minor posession, which seems to preclude casting a major spell like the horcux. I wonder how he recovered his wand. Maybe Pettigrew kept it?

I believe the theory is that in that split second when Voldy realized he was going to be kaput (you know the big open eyed, OH **** look?), he did an non-verbal horcrux spell, based on the splitting of his soul from killing Lily.

	20-08-2005 20:17									#24
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Oh, also, Percy is very interesting. I agree with Kuci that the Sorting Hat can only see potential, not actual future. It is nice to see that Gryffindors can be bad... but maybe he shows his bravery in the last book and does something heroic ::shrug::

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Wormtail too.

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How fun, I thought HP was about printers

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Wormtail too.

Ah, that's right. I keep forgetting him being a Gryffindor. I keep thinking he was Hufflepuff for some reason.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If you ain't read the books, you won't understand.

I read the first three. My daughter wouldn't let me read the rest. Now tell me what a horscrux is or I'll tell J. Edgar Hoover the location of your secret headquarters of your commie cell.

	20-08-2005 22:17									#29
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A piece of your soul, torn off by committing a murder, encased in an object.

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Hewlett Packard what?