22-08-2005 17:18									#1
	Reign of Masuro II Support Apolyton

I am in favour of making peace with our enemies and improving our cities. We are currently at -22 gpt and our western cities have no barracks.

What say you?


P.S. I play five turns, is that correct?

	22-08-2005 18:06									#2
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Currently I can answer only your last question - yes, each one of us will play 5 turns in a row until the end of the game

	22-08-2005 22:39									#3
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The -22 gpt is not at all set. We have just finished a tech and I just put it to 100% to see what it would mean in gpt and texh rate. Like Joncnunn pointed out, we should be able to get a better deal with a neighbour for that gold. Alternatively, we can poll on wich tech to research ourselves next now.

I'm in favour of upgrading SC (2(1).1.1) to SA (6(3).3.1) for 30 gold a piece and gear up for being ready to whipe out the Matsunaga when the peace deal expires.

Concerning the Urukami, peace in the near future seems to be welcome. Maybe a poll on which tech to ask for Heihojutsu of Literature....

	24-08-2005 18:16									#4
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Okay. I will try for peace. Which tech should we ask for?
Anyone besides McMeadows want to upgrade those crossbows?

	25-08-2005 11:29									#5
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yes, I'd like upgrades too. This makes them usable unit otherwise they are only military police.

	25-08-2005 14:20									#6
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Upgrade all units, if only there is cash. It seems we will not be able to compete technologically on our own (we are too small), so bonking heads will probably make out most of our activities. Meaning, we need the best army we can get.

	25-08-2005 15:16									#7
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lets not forget defensive units

give me a "D"

	25-08-2005 20:58									#8
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Time for a map trading frenzy. Before ending this turn:

Sell our TM then WM to all except the Urakami Noting who has what techs.

The Imagawa have Heihojutsu but lack Literature and Kenjutsu so when we deal peace with the Urakami, we want to get Literature and/or Kenjutsu for trading.

Do the Urakami peace getting their WM, a tech, some gpt, and most of their gold. the objective is to leave them with a few coins to buy more maps! Then sell them our TM then WM.

The Urakami WM enhances our WM making it tradeable again so sell it around. Do not accept another WM until all factions have bought the last map enhancement for cash.

Check with the Imagawa to see if we can trade Lit + gold for Heihoujutsu. We want to do this early in the Frenzy so we get more bites at getting it back.

Now buy another WM and sell it around.

repeat!

There are many WM's out there to sell around so enjoy the clickfest.

	26-08-2005 18:43									#9
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I made peace with the Urakami for 1gpt, 50gp, Literature, and Territory map. I then traded world maps with other nations and got a few gold. I managed to get Sake from the Imagawa for Literature.



The Matsunaga moved a unit into our territory as did the Urakami.

Bull Wheat is now making a marketplace
Kasuga is working on barracks

I reduced science to 70% and we will still have, uh, whatever we were researching in 3 turns.



The Urakami unit left but the Matsunaga unit is continuing north.

Hiyoshi Stronghold is now working on marketplace.
Takatsuki Lakeview is building a temple (it's on a border)

I was about to build a new city but the Matsunaga border has expanded. If I build the city it starts a war. What do you suggest I do?

	27-08-2005 03:39									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Masuro I managed to get Sake from the Imagawa for Literature. I was about to build a new city but the Matsunaga border has expanded. If I build the city it starts a war. What do you suggest I do?

That new city was to connect us to sake as well. How unfortunate the border expanded right on the turn preceding settling.

It's not really my style of play to scrape the dimes from the map trading. I wouldn't mind the new war, but it will probably be best to wait a few more turns untill the peace deal has expired.

	27-08-2005 13:51									#11
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what will happen if we ask Matsunaga to remove their unit? They'll probably start the war and thus they will break the treaty, not us

	27-08-2005 13:57									#12
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can we afford such a war at this time?

	27-08-2005 13:59									#13
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We're actually waiting for a chance to take on the Matsunaga. A peace deal is what's stopping us atm.

	27-08-2005 14:17									#14
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ahh excellent... so the settler is perfect then

	27-08-2005 14:19									#15
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perfect would have been either when the peace deal had expired the previous turn or when the cultural border hadn't expanded.

	27-08-2005 23:45									#16
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I'm not sure how many turns is left in Masuro reign, but yes, we're just waiting for the peace deal with Matsunaga to expire.

The only defensive unit that's worth building after the first era is Monks.

Sam Archers are currently the best offensive unit and it's very worthwhile to upgrade Stone Crossbow to them. Don't forget the range 1 bombard for a damaged one in a stack.

Sam Warrior 7/7/1 will be the next avaiable best offensive unit. Bushi built for garrision duty can be upgraded to them.

Shortly there after the Sam Mounted Warrior and Sam Horse Archer become adviable.

There's also a throw away dirt cheap unit adviable right before Ninjas that requires jade that upgrade to Ninjas.

Last edited by joncnunn on 28-08-2005 at 05:33

	28-08-2005 05:03									#17
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Very well. I will delay starting a fight with the Matsunaga until the peace deal is up.

	28-08-2005 15:48									#18
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Noriko's Seaview is now working on barracks. That city's borders seem to have expanded and now we own the sake.

Tottori finished a temple and is now working on a marketplace.

The Tokugawa have also started to cross our lands though I'm not sure why. They don't seem to be in a war with anyone. Wanderlust?

There are a few turns left to our peace treaty with the Matsunaga.

Here's the save.

Attachment: miyoshi nagayoshi of the miyoshi, jan., 1497 ad.sav
This has been downloaded 5 time(s).

	02-09-2005 23:23									#19
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Here's my comments:

1. The science tweaker can be tweaked down form 70% to 40% while still finishing researching the current tech next turn. (Before city micromanagement)

2. Our ratio of unit builds to non-unit builds is way too low for the DG level.
More over archives and temples are close to worthless in this conquest on this level.

A. The Gehiska House acts as a factory and makes two citizens content.

B. Our territory is way too small on this level to ever be a major science power.

C. We need to upgrade our units and also build many more of them to raize opposing cities to the ground and replace with our own.

3. The Tokugawa are not currently within our cultural boundary, they are just outside it. The formution I see does not appear to be a war making formation, but appears to be typical of the ones observed when an AI has city on both sides of your lands on a given landmass.

Still, do not leave a city within 6 tiles of a monk totally empty.

	05-09-2005 13:36									#20
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Still, do not leave a city within 6 tiles of a monk totally empty.

one of the top 5 golden rules, I say

	05-09-2005 14:03									#21
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Modo has been called

	05-09-2005 23:09									#22
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just dont tell us what

	06-09-2005 01:14									#23
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Thanks for the heads up, Paddy. A new thread coming up soon.

EDIT: New thread is here (link).

Last edited by Modo44 on 06-09-2005 at 01:39