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Especially when one looks at it on a state-by-state basis:

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StatePOTUS0805.htm

Some highlights:

There are only nine states where Bush is at 50% or higher approval (and none of them >59%)--Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Nebraska, Texas (only 54%!), Alabama, North Dakota, Montana, and Oklahoma.

Mississippi is the only other state where his approval is greater than his disapproval. (49%-47%)

Louisiana and North Carolina are a wash.

In every other state, Bush's disappoval numbers are greater than his approval numbers.

Indiana, Alaska(!), and Hawai'i have disapproval numbers < 50%, but still greater than approval.

The Red States where Bush is now down include (in increasing deficit): Indiana, Alaska, Georgia, Kansas, South Carolina, West Virginia, Arizona, South Dakota, Colorado, Florida, Tennessee, Virginia (down 10%), Kentucky, Iowa, New Mexico (15%), Arkansas, Nevada, Missouri (20%!), and Ohio (37%-60%!!!).



Just what exactly is going on here? What will this mean for the 2006 midterms? For 2008?

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meh

it really doesn't matter

the election is over

dems might pick up some seats in 2006... but I doubt it will be a revenge of 1994.

2008? I shudder to think... Hillary versus whoever...

I'm voting against Hillary.

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Very interesting.

I'm not sure how much impact it will have on 2006. History says that the Prez's party looses seats at midterm, but that wasn't true in either 2002 or 1998. I think incumbents who have been very vocal in their support of the administration will be vulnerable, but the incumbent advantage seems to be getting stronger every year.

Effect on 2008 is also hard to predict. The 2008 GOP nominee will not be coming directly out of the Bush administration, and no likely nominee is actually a hard-core Bushie. But if the war is still going on, and going badly, then the advantage will go to someone who didn't overtly support the Bush administration, or who at leastcredibly challenged them when things went south. That could be McCain for the GOP. For the Dems -- most of whom, including Hilary, jumped on the war bagwagon and can thus be painted as "flip-floppers" -- the big winner could be Bill Richardson who, as a governor, will be untarred by any association with the war.

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I doubt Republicans will lose Congress next year, Democrats simply don't have enough spinmeistering talent to transfer dislike of Bush to a dislike of Republican reps and senators... and if they make the war as their major campaign issue while refusing to take an exact stand on what to do about it, they could actually lose seats.

So I don't think approval ratings of the President (even when <40%) matter when it comes to congressional elections.

Bush could get shot, though.

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Hillary is going to win in 2008.

The neocons have made their move and outflanked the Clinton camp, but the Clinton camp is better at this game than they are.

Believe me she's already addressing the issues people are raising against her, mainly the likability factor by Reactionary white men.

People are fed up.

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It should be noted AR is near the bottom for Bush approval amongst states that went for him in 2004....

Let me rephrase that. AR is always at the bottom of things. It is near the top of disapproval amongst states that went for him in 2004. Much better.

It won't get any better for Bush and the gang, either. What are the approval numbers on the Iraq war now? Somewhere around 0%?

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Why not? If more of you had voted Kerry we wouldn't have Bush

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The Republicans will definately lose seats in 2006, there was recently an election in the very reddest Ohio district to replace the US's new trade rep. The dem candidate there called Bush a chickenhawk and was generally STRONGLY anti-bush and he just barely lost. If the dems can put even extremally red districts like that into play things're gunna hurt for the Repubs in 2006, especially in Ohio where the state GOP party is imploding.

What the dems need to do is emphasize corruption, since there's been so many state and congressional GOP corruption scandals lately, but as usual they don't have the balls and/or are busy covering their own asses...

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What the dems need to do is emphasize corruption, since there's been so many state and congressional GOP corruption scandals lately, but as usual they don't have the balls and/or are busy covering their own asses...

Bush's 1st term was filled with corruption scandals (Enron & California oil crisis, Halliburton & Iraq war, etc), too; but the Democrats had found more important things to stress in their campaign... such as homosexual marriage (go figure), raising taxes (but hey, only for "the rich"!) and whining about a war where just barely 1k US troops had died.

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That's the dems problem for the last 4 years. ALthough the repugs suck the dems haven't stood for anything.

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Bush's 1st term was filled with corruption scandals (Enron & California oil crisis, Halliburton & Iraq war, etc), too; but the Democrats had found more important things to stress in their campaign... such as homosexual marriage (go figure), raising taxes (but hey, only for "the rich"!) and whining about a war where just barely 1k US troops had died.


Can I have some of what you're smoking?

The Dems, not wanting to give the GOP anything to beat them up with, didn't mention homosexual marriage at all, talked about "tax fairness" rather than taxing the rich, and talked -- quite accurately -- about how the administration had gone into Iraq without adequate planning and without an exit strategy.

The GOP, however, was brilliant (as usual) at putting words in the Dems' mouths -- and, apparently, yours.

I agree with Theben, but your characterization of the last campaign is lazy, sloppy, and false.

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Don't make Hilary President. That would just be tragic.

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Don't make Hilary President. That would just be tragic.


Why? I'm no Hilary supporter, but I can't imagine a single thing that President Hilary would do that could be worse that GOP business-as-usual, especially at present.

What's she going to do? Re-balance the budget? Tax the rich? Defend the theory of evolution? Only fight wars we can win? Make corporate polluters clean up after themselves?

Ooo, scary stuff, kids.

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She opposes video games.

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Yeah, I don't get it.

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She opposes video games.


So?

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So?

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Bush opposes homosexuals - Hillary opposes video games.



Sandman is right.

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So?


That's right, "So?"

WTF can the president do about video games?

Tipper Gore spent 8 years with White House access. Did you notice that music getting appreciably more wholesome between 1993 and 2001? Yeah, me neither.

Hilary hates video games. Bush loves country music. They're both loathesome opinions, but it's got f*ck-all to do with being POTUS.

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WTF can the president do about video games?


Well, as a Senator, Hillary certainly made a fuss over GTA.

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I'm sure her policies are fine. Well, apart from her naive attitude to games.

I just can't stand political dynasties.

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I don't think this counts as a dynasty, Sandman. She's not Bill's daughter after all.

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WTF can the president do about video games?


Well, as a Senator, Hillary certainly made a fuss over GTA.


Yup. But did she do anything about it? Her, not the craven corporation that makes the game? Thought not.

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I don't think this counts as a dynasty, Sandman. She's not Bill's daughter after all.


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