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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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Yea, Ata... if the US tried to do this, UR would be proclaiming how unfree we are

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When you have people die from playing Civ let me know.
How is that a valid distinction? When is China going to crack down as hard on the mining or construction industries (as an example) where more people die than rarity of people droping dead from gaming?

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The fact that the US has NOT taken such measures shows how little it really cares for the wellbeing of its citizens

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I'd be in favor for such restrictions in the US as long as it's shitty games like WoW.

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Yea, Ata... if the US tried to do this, UR would be proclaiming how unfree we are


If the US did this, it would be a sign of how Christian fundamentalists have established Taliban rule in the States, and how deeply backward the US is.

Of course, to be fair, if the Euros did this, it would be a sign of how Transnational Socialism was destroying liberty.

In China, its just

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In China, its just
do you read this site with blinders on?

nearly everyone has said something to the effect of "china sucks"




but don't let facts get in the way

troll on

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We should boycott the 2008 Olympics, send a message to those authoritarian bastards.




Only democratic countries should be allowed to host the Olympics.

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Only democratic countries should be allowed to host the Olympics.


You are a nut... you do realize what the Olympics are supposed to be about, right?

And btw, can Iran host? I'd consider them democratic, though some wouldn't. Your dividing line?

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we should boycott the olympics because:

1. it sucks
2. hardly any of the events are actual sports (exceptions being hockey... and... I can't think of any others)
3. probably 75% of the athletes are doping
4. the incessant "hard luck" stories being shoved down our throats
5. professional athletes are more entertaining (and probably would do better... in his prime, I bet Deion Sanders would pwn every sprinter... just put like $30 million at the finish line )
6. it sucks
7. nationalism sucks

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we should boycott american sports because:

1. they suck
2. hardly any of the events are actual sports (exceptions being hockey... and... I can't think of any others)
3. probably 75% of the athletes are doping
4. the incessant "hard luck" stories being shoved down our throats
5. professional athletes are more entertaining
6. it sucks
7. nationalism sucks

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#2, #4, #5 don't really fit...

but nice try

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whats all this 'should' boycott american sports, it's not as if anyone else plays them

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Two quick points:

(1) Laws, rules and regulations in China are not the same as in the west. Western media often neglect to mention this when breathlessly reporting on the latest new law in China.

Laws & regulations may be enforced, selectively enforced, or not enforced at all. If young Chinese want to spend money at net bars, you better believe Chinese net bar owners will find ways to accomodate them, regardless of some regulation on the books thousands of miles away in Beijing..



I'm not understanding the point of having a law that goes unenforced or is enforced only on certain occasions. You end up undermining the rule of law if they are only meant for show.

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whats all this 'should' boycott american sports, it's not as if anyone else plays them


You're right.

Thanks

Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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well... except for Dominicans, Mexicans, Panamanians, Cubans, Japanese, Koreans, Philipinos, Australians, Saudis, Russians, etc (and that's just baseball!).

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Baseball isn't really American though. It was invented in Romania. I have no facts to back this up.

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Keep on deluding yourself.

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I donīt like limitations to personal freedom, but when you have kids spending up to 10 consecutive hours a day on a computer, itīs time to say "itīs enough", no matter if their parents donīt know or just donīt give a damn about it. And remember you are supposed to have a break of 20 minutes for every hour of gaming

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let parents parent their own kids

mind your own business

stfu

thank you drive thru

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quote:
Originally posted by mindseye
Two quick points:

(1) Laws, rules and regulations in China are not the same as in the west. Western media often neglect to mention this when breathlessly reporting on the latest new law in China.

Laws & regulations may be enforced, selectively enforced, or not enforced at all. If young Chinese want to spend money at net bars, you better believe Chinese net bar owners will find ways to accomodate them, regardless of some regulation on the books thousands of miles away in Beijing.


(2) Online gaming really is a big social problem here. For many teens, Counter Strike is their number one pastime,nothing else even comes close. Many of my students are teenagers, and the amount of time some of them spend sitting on their asses, smoking and eating junk food while playing online in their bedrooms or at net bars is frightening. It affects their weight, health, studies, and their social skills.

I know some of my students cut class (these are expensive classes their parents pay for) to go across the street to play Counter Strike instead. Recently, I had a chubby teen student who claimed his ideal job would be to legally kill people. Several times in class he mentioned his desire to kill people. Naturally, he's a Counter Strike addict. Also here in Shanghai, a guy recently knifed another to death over a dispute involving some treasure won in an online game.

Online gaming in China is a different problem than in the US, and I can easily understand the government's concerns.


I think one of the concerns in China's increasing use of technology to keep people in line. Yes, China has a problem with enforcement, due heavily to the corruption among police and local officials. The technology they want to implement is completely impartial. Thus, unfair laws can't be broken, and everyone is forced into the same small box. I'm glad that I have the freedom to make my own choices for better or worse. The problem here is that Chinese children are taught how to make the better choices either because they are an only child spoiled by their parents or their parents themselves are unable to make such decisions instead relying on the government nanny system.

However, I agree that gaming is pervasive in modern Chinese society. Many of my college students spent far too much time playing games. My school would turn off their electricity at 11:00pm, which made an excellent subject for debates in class. But I don't think that gaming is the cause the violent or aggressive behavior displayed by some.

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I'm not understanding the point of having a law that goes unenforced or is enforced only on certain occasions. You end up undermining the rule of law if they are only meant for show.


Actually, that's why a lot of laws are passed. Tingkai often touts China's environmental laws, but the record has shown that these laws have done nothing to improve the environment other than pacifying protestors temporarily. In Chinese culture, appearance is more important than substance. Hence the heavy significance of 'face.'

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I donīt like limitations to personal freedom, but when you have kids spending up to 10 consecutive hours a day on a computer, itīs time to say "itīs enough", no matter if their parents donīt know or just donīt give a damn about it. And remember you are supposed to have a break of 20 minutes for every hour of gaming


The state is supposed to play parent? I think that's the reason all these kids play games so much, because of the lack of freedom in other respects of their lives.

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pardon, doesn't this law apply to ALL, not just to minors?

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Actually, I find this very creative. It is not illegal to play as long as you like. You just get "in game" penalties for it. China has essentially classified computer games as dangerous substances (like drugs) that must be regulated. As far as the rule of law goes, it is already undermined in China.

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he state is supposed to play parent? I think that's the reason all these kids play games so much, because of the lack of freedom in other respects of their lives.



Sure, you get fat, pc-addicted teenage dirt because there is no personal freedom!

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I'm not understanding the point of having a law that goes unenforced or is enforced only on certain occasions. You end up undermining the rule of law if they are only meant for show.


There's no rule of law there to begin with to undermine.

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Incorrect.

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Incorrect.


There's a difference between rule of law and rule by force. A rather large one.

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Wow, that picture matches well with my sig

 
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