25-08-2005 21:25									#1
	Just ordered Civ4 from Amazon UK Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

They say it will be with me 30 September. Seems quick, anyone else seeing pre-orders with delivery with this timescale?

M

	25-08-2005 21:42									#2
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That date's wrong. As it is now, there seems like the game will come before Christmas, which probably means late November.

	25-08-2005 21:48									#3
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Here is a bit of the email.

Dispatch estimate for these items: 28 Sep 2005
Delivery estimate: 30 Sep 2005 - 4 Oct 2005 1 "Civilization IV (PC)"
Video Game; £30.62 (approx. EUR 45,15)


Quite odd, they must be making a big mistake... or the release date is sooner than anyone knows???



My bet is on Amazon being rubbish, but I'll be very happy to be proved wrong.

M

	25-08-2005 21:54									#4
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Doubtfully. All internet shops tend to just make a wild guess that they move forward and backwards until there comes a real date.

	25-08-2005 21:58									#5
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Just saw that Tom's hardware have s quoted September 2005 release date.

Mad. Tom's aren't that reliable in general for tech stuff. We'll see.

I am OFFICIALLY EXCITED however.

M

	25-08-2005 23:04									#6
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the early release date secures more early preorders. nothing more than that.

	25-08-2005 23:20									#7
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Firaxis themselves have said mid November and I've never heard of a game being released before the projected date, so...

	26-08-2005 00:17									#8
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quote: Originally posted by volcanohead Just saw that Tom's hardware have s quoted September 2005 release date.

you read a hardware site for gaming release dates?

	26-08-2005 01:14									#9
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When you're desperate for CIV news, you'll do almost anything, up to but not neccessarily camping out in front of Firaxis' building to keep track of how many hours Soren works per day.

	26-08-2005 01:38									#10
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You must hate seeing him (or any other Firaxian) online here. (means he's not busy with your precious)

	26-08-2005 02:38									#11
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nah, they come here to see what I think should be in the game and then they go do it, then they come back here to see what else I want to be in CIV. Because my opinion is the most important to them, obviously.

	26-08-2005 04:01									#12
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He´ll be very surprised

	26-08-2005 06:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower nah, they come here to see what I think should be in the game and then they go do it, then they come back here to see what else I want to be in CIV. Because my opinion is the most important to them, obviously.

Great, now we need to wait for Civ5. BAN HIM

	26-08-2005 06:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower When you're desperate for CIV news, you'll do almost anything, up to but not neccessarily camping out in front of Firaxis' building to keep track of how many hours Soren works per day.

I have the programmers home residences wire tapped. Getting in the Firaxis building seemed a little too difficult with security and all.

From what I gater from conversations amongst themselves with the other programmers. Mid Novembers seems to be accurate.

	26-08-2005 06:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG you read a hardware site for gaming release dates?

and a bad (sponsored) one at that.

	26-08-2005 06:04									#16
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	26-08-2005 06:04									#17
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower When you're desperate for CIV news, you'll do almost anything, up to but not neccessarily camping out in front of Firaxis' building to keep track of how many hours Soren works per day.

I think you don't want to know how many hours a week he's doing at the moment.

	26-08-2005 07:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by alva I think you don't want to know how many hours a week he's doing at the moment.

I certainly hope it's at least somewhere in the vicinity of 40. From what I gather, he's the one that can do the most to help the game at this point with the AI tweaks

	26-08-2005 07:56									#19
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I'm sure that number is well above 40. It's crunch time and from what I understand about the industry is that you can expect 50-60 hour weeks and 70-80 hours aren't out of the question either.

	26-08-2005 09:17									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Wise Ass I'm sure that number is well above 40. It's crunch time and from what I understand about the industry is that you can expect 50-60 hour weeks and 70-80 hours aren't out of the question either.

Hence the "at least"

	26-08-2005 09:26									#21
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Does this chieftan work for Amazon, perchance?

	26-08-2005 18:11									#22
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No connection with Amazon, I've been a chieftan since 2001, lurking... I will be upset with Amazon if (or more probably, when) they push back the release date.

However, in the very remote chance this date is correct I will be very content indeed.

Obviously Tom's is not a reliable source, it's simply interesting that they support the amazon comment; probably got it from there themselves.

What do you think the minimum required time is before final release when they will confirm the release date? A month?

M

	26-08-2005 18:18									#23
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September 30 is ridicilous by any means. That's only a month away. That means that the game has to go gold, that is, be finished, two weeks from now. Given that there's basically no official civ4 site, no massive advertising campaign yet, and no word whatsoever about civ4 being close to finishing, I find the notion that it can be done within two weeks ridicilous.

Besides, all those September, October and November dates provided by retailers are being pulled out of their rearsides. The official Civ4 site by Firaxis says "winter 2005", and that is the ONLY official word there has been on the release.

	26-08-2005 18:24									#24
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It's actually slightly worse, Amazon say 28th September not 30th...

Looks increasingly likely that Amazon are simply lying. I will send a very nasty email to them in the case of a November release, a full month after that which is quoted.

I wonder if the publisher's get upset with this misinformation? Probably not as they just get more cash themselves.

In any case will update when there is a change in the quoted date from Amazon, or when the game arrives whichever is the sooner.

M

	26-08-2005 22:05									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Solver September 30 is ridicilous by any means. That's only a month away. That means that the game has to go gold, that is, be finished, two weeks from now. Given that there's basically no official civ4 site, no massive advertising campaign yet, and no word whatsoever about civ4 being close to finishing, I find the notion that it can be done within two weeks ridicilous. Besides, all those September, October and November dates provided by retailers are being pulled out of their rearsides. The official Civ4 site by Firaxis says "winter 2005", and that is the ONLY official word there has been on the release.

In every recent(ish) interview Firaxis has done, they've said November.

	26-08-2005 22:53									#26
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quote: Originally posted by volcanohead Looks increasingly likely that Amazon are simply lying. I will send a very nasty email to them in the case of a November release, a full month after that which is quoted.

They don't care. Save yourself the effort.

	26-08-2005 23:30									#27
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I just saw something over at gamespot saying it was delayed until december 2005.......

	27-08-2005 01:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I just saw something over at gamespot saying it was delayed until december 2005.......

No?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy...oniv/index.html

Do you have a link?

	27-08-2005 02:09									#29
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I just saw something over at gamespot saying it was delayed until december 2005.......

that's cool. just long as it isn't december 2006.

	27-08-2005 04:51									#30
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Delaying a game isn't neccessarily a bad thing. An extra month of polishing work can make all the difference in the world.

I'd rather get Civ4 in late December or even in January 2006 than get a game that clearly needed more work before it's released. Too many publishers press their release dates, and as a result, too many games are released that are lacking only a few weeks of work - which is then delivered in a patch.