26-08-2005 01:25									#1
	Sweden considers banning Fred Phelps Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I just saw this on the TV news. I have no link in English at the moment. The Swedish secret service is looking for legal ways to ban Fred Phelps from entering the country after his attacks on Sweden in general and the Swedish King in particular. One of the legal grounds for the ban may be "high treason", an extremely rare accusation, but lawyers are looking into it.

Reverend Åke Green (the anti-gay preacher who was sentenced in the first court but aquitted in a high court) is very embarassed to be endorsed by Phelps, who wants to raise a monument over the "anti-gay hero". With friends like that who needs enemies?

	26-08-2005 01:31									#2
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Contrast this with how little the various Muslim clerics have to complain about in Sweden.

I think it is clear now which path Sweden must choose.

	26-08-2005 01:34									#3
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Yes! I hope Sweden still has laws on the books about threatening a reigning sovereign like we do!

	26-08-2005 01:39									#4
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We have very unrestricted freedom of speech, but it doesn't include asking for the death of a named person or a group of persons. You can say any crap you want about the King, but you could get jail for asking for his death or something similar.

	26-08-2005 01:40									#5
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I think this is stupid given that Phelps likely has no particular desire to actually go to Sweden.

Also, treason? wtf? He's not Swedish!

	26-08-2005 01:50									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I think this is stupid given that Phelps likely has no particular desire to actually go to Sweden.

The matter is raised because of Phelps plans a trip to Sweden to endorse anti-gay preacher Åke Green. Phelps hates the Swedish King because the King did not resign after Åke Green was sentenced for "agitation against minority groups".

quote: Also, treason? wtf? He's not Swedish!

Verbal threaths are illegal in any case. If you make them against the royal family, it's called high treason, which probably goes for foreigners as well.

	26-08-2005 01:53									#7
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quote: The matter is raised because of Phelps plans a trip to Sweden to endorse anti-gay preacher Åke Green

I take it back then.

	26-08-2005 01:55									#8
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What about talking in the public about "taking him out"?

	26-08-2005 01:56									#9
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Phelps is love

	26-08-2005 02:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro What about talking in the public about "taking him out"?

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Why don't they just not issue him a Visa? That should work. They can also declare him persona non grata.

	26-08-2005 04:31									#12
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Now, while I would LOVE to see both Phelps, and assorted muslim clerics clinging to a small piece of driftwood, hundreds of miles away from shore, we still have to respect their freedom of speech - but they have also got to respect our right of not wanting them in our countries.

	26-08-2005 04:45									#13
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Don't block him from entering.

Let him in and then lock him up for something so he's not here in the US.

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Yes please please do so.

	26-08-2005 05:14									#15
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Ha, you wish!

It's sweden, so even if they'll lock him up, it will be like for 3 days if he commits a murder.

	26-08-2005 05:17									#16
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Who's Fred Phelps?

	26-08-2005 05:18									#17
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godhatesfags.com

	26-08-2005 05:22									#18
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heresson will probably like him

	26-08-2005 05:50									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Why don't they just not issue him a Visa? That should work. They can also declare him persona non grata.

I don't think he needs a visa to go there; Sweden's a visa waiver country.

And traditionally, you can't declare someone persona non grata. until they're actually in your country.

	26-08-2005 05:55									#20
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Can we put Phelps on the no fly list after his plane lands in Sweden so we wouldn't have him here?

	26-08-2005 09:25									#21
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Az, that's right, and with Finland, Sweden has the most nice prisons, so he'll prolly get his cable open in the first 3 hours or it's cruelty and against human rights or something, also special diet, because peopel are used to eat only fine gourmet foods, and prolly better medical than in his own home now.

But it'll get rough when Björn gets horny. He can scream god hates fags all he wants, but Björn will be unstoppable, with his red beard and big viking .. hands.

	26-08-2005 09:27									#22
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I would pay to see that



No I wouldn't.

	26-08-2005 10:08									#23
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay Don't block him from entering. Let him in and then lock him up for something so he's not here in the US.

	26-08-2005 10:09									#24
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We're trying to export Osama Bin Robertson to Sweden

	26-08-2005 11:48									#25
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Drosedar posted this translated Expressen article in the "nutjob deathmatch" thread:

quote: Published: 25th August 2005 15:32 CET Minister of hate to "hunt down" Swedish king The fanatical American Baptist minister, Fred Phelps, is on his way to Sweden. "We'll hunt down your king," he said ominously to Expressen. "It doesn't make any difference where he tries to hide." Phelps' hatred of the royal family and all things Swedish is linked directly to his equally virulent hatred of homosexuals. He praises homophobic crimes, including murder. When controversial Swedish minister, Åke Green, was convicted of inciting hatred of homosexuals following an anti-gay sermon, Phelps saw red and turned his attention to Sweden. "You're doomed to spend eternity in hell," he continued. "All you Swedes and your Swedish king and his family." The minister and twenty members of his congregation from the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, are planning to come to Sweden at the beginning of September. They are bringing plenty of placards in order to spread their message that Sweden is the cradle of all evil and that the king rules a nation of sodomites. King Carl Gustaf is their primary target. "Your king represents your doomed country and we'll find him wherever he may be." Phelps claims that Sweden deserved to suffer in the new year tsunami catastrophe in southern Asia and has designed a monument to 'celebrate' the deaths of over 500 Swedes in Thailand. The royal household regards the proposed visit as a serious risk and has increased security around the king and the royal family. "We'll be informing Säpo of this," said royal spokeswoman, Ann-Christine Jernberg. So, should Sweden laugh, cry or take Fred Phelps seriously? Expressen columnist, Lars Lindström, is in no doubt that this is no joke. "If he were a cartoon character, I'd laugh. But now I just feel ill. Minister Fred Phelps has such extreme views that even the Christian far right in the USA feel a bit queasy." Lindström argues that it isn't just singled out Sweden that's exercised about Phelps, but that he attracts a lot of attention in his home country. "Phelps has eleven lawyers fighting for his constitutional right to cast the objects of his hatred to the fires of hell. To dismiss him as a village idiot is to take the easy way out." "With friends like Fred Phelps, Åke Green doesn't need a single enemy," concludes Lindström. Sources: Expressen Andy Butterworth is a freelance writer based in Gothenburg.

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What would be funny though, if he came to here, I guarantee 100% he'd get his ass kicked. For one, people in here get physical way more easy than in the sissie US.

Mostly because there's no thoughts of someone carrying a weapon and shooting you with it, so the fists can fly more freely.

My fantasy: Phelps goes into Sweden and call all Swedes fags who will burn in hell. About 8 members of Hells Angels rides by, stops, and asks the minister if he really is in his full health and if he wishes to continue with his .. announcements. He, of course wishes, and then.. basically he dies in the hands of bikers.

	26-08-2005 12:16									#27
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and to be frank, look at this crazy man. And his awesome website www.godhatessweden.com and tell me security of the King won't pay attention to this.. we know he's all talk, but if the security is professional and takes things serisouly, Fred has 0% chances of getting in the country. Has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

He, and his group is a security risk, period.

	26-08-2005 16:03									#29
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Hum, read in the paper today, that Carl Gustav tailended someone in traffic. Police showed up, but they apparently don't even have the right to breathalyse him, let alone arrest/charge for anything...

	26-08-2005 16:08									#30
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5 years ago Phelps planned to come to Finland to burn a flag in protest of the election of Tarja Halonen as president but nothing came of it