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Rufus T. Firefly is offline Rufus T. Firefly
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Rick Santorum -- Flip-flopper, liar, or both? Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

At least a couple of ways to read this bit of weaseling from everybody's favorite Frothy Discharge:

1) Santorum's so vulnerable he's making sh*t up in order to distance himself from Bush...

2) Bush is in so much trouble he's starting to lose teh likes of Santorum...

3) Who cares? It's all good...

From today's Philly Inquirer:

quote:
Santorum's office can't find record of his questioning war

By Carrie Budoff

Inquirer Staff Writer


Republican U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum's office acknowledged yesterday that it cannot locate public statements of the senator questioning the Iraq war, despite the senator's claim last week that he has publicly expressed his concerns.

But Santorum said that doesn't mean he hasn't made the comments.

In an interview last week, he said he had publicly and privately raised questions about efforts to contain the insurgency and to limit Baathist involvement in the new Iraqi government. He made his remarks in response to a charge by his leading Democratic challenger, Robert P. Casey Jr., that Santorum has failed to "ask the tough questions" about Iraq.

Robert L. Traynham, Santorum's spokesman, said a search of Nexis, a news database, and the office's press clippings had not turned up any account of those comments. He noted, however, that the office's records are incomplete because the office is unable to record everything the senator says.

"I do a lot of interviews on TV, on radio, with print reporters who don't happen to write everything I say," Santorum said yesterday. "The fact that it hasn't turned up in print doesn't mean I haven't said it."

The skirmish over whether Santorum has criticized President Bush's handling of the war is just one aspect of the Iraq debate that could vex the senator and Casey in the 2006 Senate race.

Casey, the Pennsylvania state treasurer, has begun faulting Santorum but has declined to offer an alternative vision for Iraq - reflecting the division among national Democrats on how to deal with the issue.

Santorum, the third-highest-ranking Republican leader in the Senate, won't distance himself from Bush's policy, even at a time when other Republicans are speaking out and polls show rising public dissatisfaction with the war.

With Pennsylvania soldiers dying, Casey said last week, Santorum should be pressing Bush as firmly as he did President Bill Clinton over U.S.-led raids of Kosovo in 1999, which did not involve ground troops.

"There were no Pennsylvanians in harm's way last time. This situation is dramatically different," said Jay Reiff, Casey's campaign manager. "Pennsylvanians on the ground deserve a senator who is going to put aside partisanship and ask simple questions about their safety in the war."

Santorum was a vocal opponent of the Kosovo conflict, he said, because it lacked a compelling national interest. He criticized Clinton in March 1999 for taking military action in Kosovo "with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy."

Iraq is different, Santorum said last week, "because this is something we have to do to protect our country. I feel strongly about that."

His reluctance to publicly question Bush has more to do with Santorum's style than his priorities, Santorum aides say. He prefers taking a longer view, and if the war looks grim for several weeks, Santorum won't suddenly protest, Traynham said.

"He can understand where the President is coming from, the complexity of the issues," Traynham said. "That is why he keeps his counsel quiet."

Casey faces his own challenges, among them finding a position that portrays him as neither an antiwar defeatist nor a passive war supporter.

On the major Iraq votes - authorizing force and funding the operation - Casey said he would have supported those measures, just as Santorum did. Another Democrat in the race, Bucks County professor Chuck Pennacchio, said he would have voted against the use of force.

In recent weeks, Casey has attempted to differentiate himself from Santorum by chastising the senator for failing to speak out as soldiers die. Casey's latest criticism of Santorum came in the same month that seven Pennsylvania National Guard soldiers were killed in Iraq.

But when asked to describe what he would do differently in Iraq, Casey says the Bush administration has not given the public enough information to make a decision on what to do next.

"This is starting to look remarkably like Casey's race against Ed Rendell, which he seemed to do nothing but attack Rendell and distort his record while offering little in the way of positive change for Pennsylvania," said John Brabender, Santorum's media consultant. "Ultimately, this caught up with him on Election Day."

One constituency that responded was left-wing bloggers, who have been praising him for raising questions.

Santorum's stance falls in line with his party; polls show strong GOP approval ratings for Bush's handling of the war. But a potential pitfall for Santorum could arise a year from now if the war looks unwinnable, said Christopher Borick, a pollster at Muhlenberg College in Allentown.

"He is so closely tied with the President, there is some kind of residual effect," Borick said. "It will be hard for him to disentangle."


http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/...ty/12467681.htm

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santorum is such a douche


it boggles the mind how that guy ever got elected in the first place

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Flip-flopped, liar, both?

Why play semantics? I prefer to just think of him as a ****ing *******.

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He got elected because Democrats raise taxes and kill babies

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Santorum is a hypocrite!

Tell 'em Berzerker

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Re: Rick Santorum -- Flip-flopper, liar, or both? Tired of ads?

How about asshat?

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it boggles the mind how that guy ever got elected in the first place


As a Pennsylvanian myself I'm happy to say I never voted for the guy and I never would. Same goes for Sen. Specter.

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Specter

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As a Pennsylvanian myself I'm happy to say I never voted for the guy and I never would. Same goes for Sen. Specter.


I know what you mean. I'll probably sell my house in Pittsburgh this year, and it breaks my heart to think that that may keep me from being able to vote against Santorum in 2006.

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Where is Shi, btw... you know the guy who keeps saying Santorum is going to win the Presidency in 2008?

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I'll just mention that Santorum looks like Latin for "of santas".

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I'll just mention that Santorum looks like Latin for "of santas".


And it's only separated by a couple i's from Sanitorium. Hmm....

I've said it before, the man must lose in 2006. Any means necessary. I'm actually thinking about volunteering for the Casey campaign.

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Got spare money?

He's on track to lose, as his approval ratings are dismal and Casey has been leading him by double digits.

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He is going to get huge money from the right.

Its nice to know New York won;t be the only spectacularly expensive Senate battle coming in 2006.

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Will the right really invest that much in Pirro? I mean, they know she's a sure loser, and she's already made so many gaffes that NY repubs are sorry they vetted her. They're going to have a lot of tight races, so I'd think their resources would best be spent elsewhere (OH, MT, MO, TN, PA)

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Of course the Republicans will spend unseamnly amounts of money to fight Hillary, even if they reallt don;t have a chance.

It might not be Pirro anyways, she will have a nasty primary battle.

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As a Pennsylvanian myself I'm happy to say I never voted for the guy and I never would. Same goes for Sen. Specter.


Ditto!!

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Where is Shi, btw... you know the guy who keeps saying Santorum is going to win the Presidency in 2008?



Sorry, it's inevitable. There is no way you will stop this man from becoming Pres in 2008:

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it boggles the mind how that guy ever got elected in the first place


Yet another reason to hate Pennsylvania

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Sorry, it's inevitable. There is no way you will stop this man from becoming Pres in 2008:


Haw Haw.. your Presidential favorite won't even keep his Senate seat in 2006!

Everyone point and laugh at Shi!

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* The Emperor Fabulous points and laughs at Shi

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Haw Haw.. your Presidential favorite won't even keep his Senate seat in 2006!

IIRC, presidential candidates who are also senators lose disproportionally often. Santorum being unsenated in '06 should thus help his chances to become Prez in '08.

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IIRC, presidential candidates who are also senators lose disproportionally often. Santorum being unsenated in '06 should thus help his chances to become Prez in '08.


But the reason that Senators don't win the presidency is not that they are sitting Senators at the time of the race, but that they have clear (and often contradictory) records, and can easily be pegged as Washington insiders. Santorum's loss would not free him from his record, it would just embarrass him as a candidate, in that not only will he probably not win his home state, but he will have in fact already lost it.

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* Sava points and laughs at Shi!

speaking of Pirro...

did you guys see the Daily Show with Jon Stewart?

He showed a clip with Pirro at her news conference... she was about to start a huge rant on Hillary Clinton, but apparantly didn't have the right piece of paper.

the clip goes as follows

Pirro: Hillary Clinton...
(shuffles papers)




32 seconds later

Pirro: do you guys have page 10?



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Haw Haw.. your Presidential favorite won't even keep his Senate seat in 2006!

Everyone point and laugh at Shi!


Just think. Come 2008, you will have to be looking at that picture everyday on the television set.

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Dare one hope for a Santorum/Rodham-Clinton showdown?

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quote:
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Sorry, it's inevitable. There is no way you will stop this man from becoming Pres in 2008:


How much would you like to bet on this... I'll even bet he doesn't win the Republican Nomination... come on, put your money where your mouth is

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Threads like this are the best hope for Santroum.

I remember the absolute certainty most of Apolyton had with the 2004 election. Bush was going down. They knew it, they believed it in their hearts of hearts, that people have finally waken up and come to see the world as they did.

Given Apolyton's track record with predicting elections, Santorum must have smooth sailing ahead of him.

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Repeated polls showed that a majority here thought that Shrub was going to win ...

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Eh, well if that is the case the people who were sure of Kerry winning were definitely the loudest...

 
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