29-08-2005 19:33									#31
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Indeed. Steinbeck and Hemingway are the two brightest US lights from the period...

Only cause folks here are so down on Faulkner, for reasons that arent all that clear to me.

	29-08-2005 19:39									#32
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I think that Faulkner is better then either Steinbeck or Hemingway

although the last two are good

JM

	29-08-2005 19:41									#33
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Jean Toomer's Cane is another major work of the Harlem Renaissance. While I can't deny its literary power and it's a wonderful work of the genre, like Joyce, it's an exceptionally tough read.

	29-08-2005 20:37									#34
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Note that a lot of American writers felt that they had to go to Europe to write anything of substance.

	29-08-2005 20:42									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Note that a lot of American writers felt that they had to go to Europe to write anything of substance.

Note that Joyce spent most of his career outside Ireland, in Trieste. Writers often have to move to a different country, to gain distance, perspective, etc. Also the cost of living played a role for some, IIUC.

	29-08-2005 21:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Only cause folks here are so down on Faulkner, for reasons that arent all that clear to me.

Faulkner's very good too.

But he doesn't compare.

	29-08-2005 21:34									#37
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Faulkner's very good too. But he doesn't compare.

Im a Faulkner fan - ive read Absalom, Absalom, As I Lay Dying, The Sound and the Fury, and Wild Palms. Maybe i should give Steinbeck another try, Ive only read The Pearl, which i dont recall being overwhelmed by. What did he write that would compare favorably to Absalom or The Sound and the Fury?

	29-08-2005 21:37									#38
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Cannery Row!

I love the Sound and the Fury though.

	29-08-2005 21:38									#39
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Absalom Absalom is the bomb

JM

	30-08-2005 01:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Im a Faulkner fan - ive read Absalom, Absalom, As I Lay Dying, The Sound and the Fury, and Wild Palms. Maybe i should give Steinbeck another try, Ive only read The Pearl, which i dont recall being overwhelmed by. What did he write that would compare favorably to Absalom or The Sound and the Fury?

This is hilarious. I've never read "The Pearl", but the only other person I know who dislikes Steinbeck has also only read that one book of his.



Read "Cannery Row" or "The Grapes of Wrath"...

	30-08-2005 01:59									#41
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The only Steinbeck book I didn't like was "The Winter of our Discontent"

The only Hemingway book I didn't like was "The Sun Also Rises"

	30-08-2005 03:27									#42
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The only Hemingway book I didn't like was "The Sun Also Rises"

Maybe I will have to give Hemingway another chance. That was the only book that I have read by him. I didn't like it either.

	30-08-2005 10:19									#43
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It's his first novel. He was still busy imitating F Scott Fitzgerald.

	30-08-2005 13:34									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Note that a lot of American writers felt that they had to go to Europe to write anything of substance.

No, they had to go to Europe to drink anything of substance.

	30-08-2005 13:38									#45
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Im a Faulkner fan - ive read Absalom, Absalom, As I Lay Dying, The Sound and the Fury, and Wild Palms. Maybe i should give Steinbeck another try, Ive only read The Pearl, which i dont recall being overwhelmed by. What did he write that would compare favorably to Absalom or The Sound and the Fury?

I like both Faulkner and Steinbeck. As has been mentioned before, you might enjoy Cannery Row. It's pretty light with a lot humor. Steinbeck really varies a lot book to book. Most of it I like in one way or another, and some of it I just don't get.

	30-08-2005 13:43									#46
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Hitler had a lot of success with his book... I think that should tip the balance.

	30-08-2005 19:28									#47
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Apart from the Jew stuff, Mein Kampf must be the most boring book ever written.

	30-08-2005 20:24									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Apart from the Jew stuff, the Bible must be the most boring book ever written.

	30-08-2005 20:28									#49
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apart from the Jew stuff, Herzl's "The Jewish State" must be the most boring book ever written.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Yes. I think if Pound and Elliot are counted as Americans (and what else would we count Pound as? - Italian?) one could make a good case for America winning. .

Oh, dream on.

	03-09-2005 18:21									#51
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To amplify yesterday's post:

the 'No Brit Lit' list:

S. Y. Agnon

Jean Anouilh

Hans/Jean Arp

Isak Dinesen

Henri Barbusse

Albert Camus

Raymond Queneau

Stefan Zweig

Herman Hesse

Antoine De Saint-Exupery

Erich Maria Remarque

Yevgeny Zamyatin

Marcel Pagnol

Knut Hamsun

Bertolt Brecht

Luigi Pirandello

Ivo Andric

Cora Sandel

Sigrid Undset

Max Brod

Karel Capek

Louis Ferdinand Celine

Paul Valery

Alfred Doblin

Leon Feuchtwanger

Tristan Tzara

Hugo Ball

Michel De Ghelderode

Marinetti

Nathalie Sarraute

Seferis

Ferenc Molnar

Walter Benjamin

Alberto Moravia

Jean Giraudoux

Henri De Motherlant

Colette

Dino Buzzati

Ugo Betti

Boris Pasternak

Robert Desnos

Nikos Kazantzakis

Halldor Laxness

Francois Mauriac

Ernst Jungr

Max Jacob

Heinrich Mann

Andre Malraux

	03-09-2005 18:33									#52
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I think by now I've never heard of literally 99% of the people mentioned in this thread, maybe more

	03-09-2005 18:49									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I think by now I've never heard of literally 99% of the people mentioned in this thread, maybe more

What a vista of reading opportunities opens up in front of you.

	03-09-2005 20:56									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I think by now I've never heard of literally 99% of the people mentioned in this thread, maybe more

Reading's hard.

	03-09-2005 21:13									#55
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The only reason the Euro's have so many great literary writers is cos alcoholism and whining about how tough life is are much more common there (and thats the basis for defining literature).