28-08-2005 10:10									#1
	Ok, now I am intersted in Civ IV now. Tired of ads?

Before I had no interest in Civ IV but after reading some intervies and previews I am mildly interested in it. I believe I will by the game, maybe a week or so after it comes out, or even the day it comes out, but I have learnt my lessons from buying previous games.

What I expect from Civ IV will be a so-so game becasue of Firaxis's previous track record (when a game comes out of a box, it's not a great game but an ok game,wich later became a good game after a year or so with a gold edtion and all patches) this way I shouldn't be too disapointed with it.

I am just letting the Powers of be at Firaxis that yes I will get Civ IV but not expecting anything great coming out from them and hope to be very very wrong and play an awsome game out of the box, and unless that is the case I will not support them ever again.

I felt I have been very burned with Civ III and had to wait over a year to play a game wich should have been done the first time, but will give them one more chance.

Davor

	28-08-2005 11:34									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Yolky What I expect from Civ IV will be a so-so game becasue of Firaxis's previous track record (when a game comes out of a box, it's not a great game but an ok game,wich later became a good game after a year or so with a gold edtion and all patches) this way I shouldn't be too disapointed with it.

You clearly have a much lower opinion of the original Civ 3 than I do. In my view, the original Civ 3 was a major improvement over its predecessors, and subsequent improvements and expansion packs merely served to make it even better. I think the way Firaxis does things, making the initial version of the game available when it is reasonably solid but continuing to work to make it better over time, is clearly the right way to go.

	28-08-2005 11:38									#3
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Yolky, your fears are exaggerated. Civ IV will be great!

	28-08-2005 11:50									#4
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I do not understand why everyone (well not everyone but many ppl) found civ3 to be a bad game. Sure it had a few bugs, but it was incredibly fun!
The only reason I don't play it anymore is that I have a set turn order of doing things from the beginning so each game turns out to be pretty similar to the last. For example the order in which I research techs doesn't really change based on my situation it is normally pretty much the same. That is what I hope for most in Civ4 a tech tree that does not have 1 best way to go through it, and no one government that defeats all others. A perfectly balanced tree and government will be re-playable over and over trying a new combination with each game. I don't care about fancy graphics and such, just give me different characteristics that are well balanced and I will play the game for a long while

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	28-08-2005 13:09									#5
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Civ3 was a good game. But I'm no fan boy. It still has some major problems. Most important is the lack of choices you make in the game. Too many games play the same way and your empires look the same at the end of the game. And you pretty much have to play one way to win.

This was not the case with SMAC.

that said, civ3 is a minor improvement over civ2. There is no way I could go back to civ2. No way could I go to a game without borders. And howitzer/railroad rushes.

	28-08-2005 13:40									#6
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Yolky, be sure to update us if your opinions ever change. An update in a new thread every day would be nice.

	28-08-2005 13:42									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dis that said, civ3 is a minor improvement over civ2. There is no way I could go back to civ2. No way could I go to a game without borders. And howitzer/railroad rushes.

If there's no way you'd go back to the earlier game, I regard that as evidence of more than just minor improvement.

	28-08-2005 14:14									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Dis that said, civ3 is a minor improvement over civ2. There is no way I could go back to civ2.

Civ1/2 had a few good features that didn't get to Civ3
I have considered installing Civ2 just because of the advisors

	28-08-2005 14:36									#9
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In Civ3, I couldn't stand the corruption feature. It prevented me from setting up my usual rule-the-world strategy, without which I feel lonely and desperate...

	28-08-2005 14:51									#10
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The thing with Civ3 was that it was a good game, but not as great as it's predecessors. However, it had enough improvements to make a backwards change more or less impossible for me.

	28-08-2005 15:19									#11
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In the beginning, I couldn't work the corruption thing either. But I learned how to manage it, and now I have no problem with it anymore.

- make sure your cities are happy (reduces corruption)
- build the forbidden palace
- build courthouses
- build police stations
- democracy

that makes even the cities far away from your capital at least productive for 50%

	28-08-2005 15:53									#12
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte In Civ3, I couldn't stand the corruption feature. It prevented me from setting up my usual rule-the-world strategy, without which I feel lonely and desperate...

That could definitely be annoying under the stock and PtW rules, although proper positioning of the Forbidden Palace coupled with the use of a leader to relocate the palace to another continent (or toward the other end of a pangea) could usually make a huge percentage of the world at least marginally productive with courthouses and police stations. With Conquests, the answer is a lot simpler once you reach the industrial era: change to Communism and you can rule the world without an unacceptable corruption penalty.

	28-08-2005 20:26									#13
	Re: Ok, now I am intersted in Civ IV now. Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Yolky What I expect from Civ IV will be a so-so game becasue of Firaxis's previous track record (when a game comes out of a box, it's not a great game but an ok game,wich later became a good game after a year or so with a gold edtion and all patches) this way I shouldn't be too disapointed with it.

In order to be a "track record," it has to occur with more than one game. This seems to only be referring to Civ3, as I can't think of other Firaxis games to which this applies. Indeed, Pirates! was great out of the box, as was Sid Meier's Gettysburg! and Sim Golf (great in the sense of being complete and working, not necessarily the bestest of concepts).

	28-08-2005 21:14									#14
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I agree with you yolky. Civ3 was quite a bummer when released and I remember I didn't touch it much until the second or third patch (after which I made my own mod, because I didn't found stock civ3 rules interesting. Mainly the defensive infantry pissed me off).
But of course, we shall remember that Firaxis was much less into the civilization franchise when they released civ3, because Civ2 was a long while ago.
Now with Civ3 they came in and maintained touch with their fanbase again. That's why I think we can expect Civ4 to be much better out of the box than Civ3. They know better what we want and how to satisfy that.

	28-08-2005 21:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I have considered installing Civ2 just because of the advisors

Yes, Elvis and the drunken military advisor when you're kicking butt are my favorite advisors.
But I was especially fond of the Egyptian emissary.

	28-08-2005 23:18									#16
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Why I have a low opnion of Civ III? Remeber that Civ II was the best game ever. Well at that time for most people it was. Civ III was way over hyped saying it would be better than Civ II and clearly it wasn't. With Civ II I spent many sleepless nights playing the game with only 2 hour or less sleep.

Also I bought the collerctors tin edtion wich was a complete bust. Didn't get the multiplayer that was suppose to be included, had to buy it in an ex pac.

They promised things wich were not included in the Civ III and over hyped the Collectors Tin edtion, that is why I have a low opnion of Civ III out of the box.

Civ IV does look promising and I don't see any real promises being made this time like for Civ III so that is good. I am glad the graphics aren't awsome(I know I complained about it at first then got thinking, I don't want awsome graphics, just good game play.) and hopefully all the game play will keep me up playing, having that ONE MORE TURN FEELING again wich I lost in Civ III.

	29-08-2005 01:23									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio Civ1/2 had a few good features that didn't get to Civ3 I have considered installing Civ2 just because of the advisors

yeah I do miss the military advisor.

I'm saddened they aren't including them in civ4 .

let's go bonk some heads sir.

	29-08-2005 01:25									#18
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quote: Originally posted by patcon Yes, Elvis and the drunken military advisor when you're kicking butt are my favorite advisors. But I was especially fond of the Egyptian emissary.

damn, I'm almost tempted to reinstall civ2 again. .

I wish there was a mod that could put them in civ3 or civ4.

	29-08-2005 01:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Yolky Also I bought the collectors tin edtion which was a complete bust. ... ... having that ONE MORE TURN FEELING again which I lost in Civ III.

I still have my Collectors Tin in good use. That was the "I am willing to pay extra for Civ just out of gratitude, and the tin is what I am getting in exchange for my appreciation" edition.

With my occasional binges, Civ3 had so much just-one-more-turn feeling that I struggled with getting enough sleep for 3-1/2 years!

MUCH better than Civ2, despite my also binging on that game.

	29-08-2005 07:57									#20
	Re: Re: Ok, now I am intersted in Civ IV now. Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov In order to be a "track record," it has to occur with more than one game. This seems to only be referring to Civ3, as I can't think of other Firaxis games to which this applies. Indeed, Pirates! was great out of the box, as was Sid Meier's Gettysburg! and Sim Golf (great in the sense of being complete and working, not necessarily the bestest of concepts).

See what happens when you make a bad game out of the box. Some people, or just me, don't bother with the company again when they put out other games. I missed out on some good games from what I just read, so how many others like me did the same? Point I am making is you make ONE bad game and you can suffer.

I think I will have to check out the game pirates. Is that the one that is for xbox?

	29-08-2005 08:04									#21
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yolky: you weren't interested in cIV before? then why all the forum posts about the game?

Anyways, to comment on the hicjacked thread topic, I didn't go for civ3 because there did not exist the level of support for scenario creators that exists in Civ2.

	29-08-2005 08:09									#22
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower yolky: you weren't interested in cIV before? then why all the forum posts about the game?

Why all the posts? Because I loved Civ I and Civ II, it's in my blood, Civ III was a bad taste. When I saw an article on GameSpot I thought I would check it out, opnion is changing and hopefully I will be wrong, but burned before you tend to be more cautous.

	29-08-2005 09:29									#23
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Aye I'm also started to want to install CivII again. Might do it in fact tonight.

So looking forward to cIV. Should be awesome. Hopefully be released over here in time for the summer holidays (is it expected well before Xmas?) Can't think of anything better than working and playing cIV (well not working and just playing cIV but I do have to live afterall).

	29-08-2005 21:55									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Flip McWho Aye I'm also started to want to install CivII again. Might do it in fact tonight. So looking forward to cIV. Should be awesome. Hopefully be released over here in time for the summer holidays (is it expected well before Xmas?) Can't think of anything better than working and playing cIV (well not working and just playing cIV but I do have to live afterall).

DON'T INSTALL CIV II. You might get too addicted again and not like Civ IV or see how different the game play will be and you might get upset. eg, spend 45 turns to build a wonder of a world and someone beats you to it and you loose all your production points, you might not get use to the new game style Civ IV should be.

	29-08-2005 22:05									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Yolky I am just letting the Powers of be at Firaxis that yes I will get Civ IV but not expecting anything great coming out from them and hope to be very very wrong and play an awsome game out of the box, and unless that is the case I will not support them ever again.

Nice of you to let them know.