28-08-2005 12:00									#1
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Things have been almost completely dead here lately aside from sporadic posts to the MP game thread. Would there be any interest in another SP AU course, or has the impending arrival of Civ 4 killed all the interest?

One idea I've come up with - and it is definitely not for the faint of heart or of CPU power - is a true grand finale. The idea would be to play with the same oversized map size as in Gargantua (AU 402) but with all of the 31 civs now available in Conquests, and probably with 70% water instead of 80% water to give the extra civs more room. An archipelago map would make the most sense (since even 'pelago land masses can be decent sized on an oversized map), probably with the player starting on one of the larger land masses.

Edit: Thinking a little more, it would probably be better to go with 60% water and reduce the world size by a corresponding amount. That should reduce the CPU load a little while still making the game the biggest in AU history in terms of land area and of number of civs.

Warning: Turns by the end of such a game can get very, very long even on the fastest of PCs. It's only really playable if you don't mind doing something else while waiting for the AIs to take their turns.

Or we could do something more conventional, or both.

Last edited by nbarclay on 28-08-2005 at 12:14

	28-08-2005 12:33									#2
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I think it's definitely a good idea. Even if this course generates only a little bit of interest, it will still get the AU in better shape for when cIV comes out.

	28-08-2005 15:27									#3
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go for broke

and if you only get 15 polyners to sign?
still a go ?

dibs on China

	28-08-2005 15:56									#4
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Platypus, I'm talking about a single-player game here, not multiplayer.

	28-08-2005 20:08									#5
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I would love to play the game.

But the AI is naff at 'pelago maps, so perhaps a pangea would be better?

	28-08-2005 21:59									#6
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On a standard map size, archipelago settings tend to result in one or two AIs per land mass, with little in the way of opportunities for AIs either to trade or to expand through conquest. On a beyond-huge map with 31 civs and 60% water, judging from a couple tests I tried at a 220x220 map size, you actuallly end up with some of the land masses being bigger and having more civs than on a standard continents map. AIs can still be expected to show their usual incompetence in invading other land masses, but I think there should be enough contact, trading, and room for killer AIs to evolve for there to be AIs that provide credible competition in the tech race.

What I'm hoping for is a feel similar to a standard or large continents map, only with more continents. That makes the naval dimension of the game a lot more interesting than on a pangea.

	28-08-2005 22:08									#7
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OK, 'Pelago it is.

How are you are, Nathan? Life treating you fairly?

	29-08-2005 21:53									#8
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Another game surely cannot hurt.

Huge maps are not my thing, though. I would only play if the map were Standard Pangea, or Small anything.

I'm much more interested in getting some discussion going regarding the future of AU in light of the upcoming CIV. I'll post a thread on this in the next couple of days.

	30-08-2005 02:43									#9
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just hoping to 31 players in one game


would that map be bigger than the one in civ contents
forget the game name, but same premise

	15-09-2005 06:02									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Another game surely cannot hurt. Huge maps are not my thing, though. I would only play if the map were Standard Pangea, or Small anything. I'm much more interested in getting some discussion going regarding the future of AU in light of the upcoming CIV. I'll post a thread on this in the next couple of days.

How goes the post?

	15-09-2005 06:48									#11
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The map was 250x250 with 24 civs. Never tried a map larger than 250. I think it also had the tech rate changed. I can't remember if it was to slow down the pace in an attempt make it play like a smaller map or what.

	17-09-2005 10:39									#12
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Check this thread out:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=138622

	17-09-2005 22:50									#13
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I would strongly sugest that someone creating a map designed for max number of AIs to keep it reasonably balanced.

Also, have we had an AU course where the prefered mode of victory was via the UN?

	18-09-2005 04:29									#14
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Sorry, while traveling I had been using the "My threads" feature and hadn't seen this.

I say yes, Nathan, by all means lets do a blowout monster game.

	19-09-2005 19:26									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear How goes the post?

It goes...slowly.

I would like to have it up this week sometime.

By the way, great work doing some publicity in the CIV thread; it would be really neat to have people actually learn to play CIV with the help of AU...let's make it happen!

	20-09-2005 04:34									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae It goes...slowly. I would like to have it up this week sometime. By the way, great work doing some publicity in the CIV thread; it would be really neat to have people actually learn to play CIV with the help of AU...let's make it happen!

Thanks, it really pains me when people throw around insults and trolls just because they can, as you can see from the cIV AU thread.

	21-09-2005 20:50									#17
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We're going to need the AU so the rest of us can catch up to those super-secret beta testers who've got a jump on us. And they were already some of the best players to being with

	22-09-2005 00:13									#18
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* UnOrthOdOx slaps Zargon.

That defeatist attitude will get you nowhere. I say the 'super secret beta testers' need all the practice they can get so they can attempt to compete with US. I mean, it's obvious...

I could go for a final blowout game. Never tried anything larger than standard map for some reason or another though. I'm sure there's some peculiarities it could bring up...