29-08-2005 07:49									#1
	Turn 24, 2850BC Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

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Status (from last turn)
Government currently in: Despotism
Current research: Iron Working; 129 beakers towards IW; 51 of 180 left to research; turn 23 of 31[?], estimated ToC turn 32 (2510BC).
Treasury: 2 gold
Cashflow: 0 gpt

Pre-Turn Actions
None

Military Orders
Military Units:

Enkidu Warriors
Enk#1 Dumuzi the Shepard - amidst barbs, wait and see
Enk#2 Geshtinanna - move 4, or??? what does Bob the Barb do? (Do we want to attack it, if option available?? - E_T)
Enk#3 Ziusudra - move 6 (I would like him to move 2, but if Dumuzi moves 2-6, next two turns, then 6 is o.k. - E_T)
Enk#4 Kur - Fortified in Apolyton

Domestic Orders

Workers:
Mr. Rush Job - mining Apo WF #6 (5 worker turns to complete)
Million Dollar Worker - move 1-1 (to Apo WF #6) and mine (4 worker turns to complete - 3 turns reported to complete)

Settlers:
T-3

Cities:
Apolyton - Starting WF 4-5-10-11-17. NC.


Builds:
Apolyton - Granary built, start building Settler (turn 1 of 3 scheduled).

Other Domestic
Slider - 20/50/30, adjust to keep gold cushion? looking at, will update before turn is here - E_T

Diplomacy to be done
Really need to reply to CBR. Really, really.


Any other things to be done

Last edited by notyoueither on 02-09-2005 at 08:51

	02-09-2005 07:24									#2
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Damuzi the Shepherd survived, lost 1 hp, still a regular. Two barbs left. Not bad at all...

	02-09-2005 08:15									#3
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I will most likely move Dumuzi 2, onto a hil for better defence and back the way we will want to go.

	02-09-2005 08:46									#4
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Begin Turn:
Granery completed in Apolyton, prompts to build Enk. Accepted.

Actions:
Units:
E1 Dumuzi the Shepherd (2of3), moves 2
E2 Geshtinanna, moves 4. Land at 8-8-8
E3 Ziusudra. moves 6
E4 Kur. Fortified in Apolyton


Worker Jobs:
W1 Mr. Rush Job, building mine (2 of 6[4])
W2 Million Dollar Worker, move to Poly WF6 and mine (1 of 3)

Economy:
Work Force:
Apolyton Size 5 - WF 4-5-10-11-17. 9spt, +5fpt. Grows in 2

Builds:
Apolyton - Change to settler (1 of 4[3])

Slider:
Slider to 30/40/30 (tax/sci/lux)
Researching Iron Working, 129 of 180, 13t, +4 to 133
Treasury: 2g
CashFlow: 0gpt

Demographics:

code:
Approval        50%, 3 -1
Population  160,000, 1
GNP          10 mil, 5 -1
MnfGoods     9 mton, 1 +1
LandArea    2100m^2, 5    another city
Literacy         0%, 1
Disease          0%, 1
Pollution    0 tons, 1
LifeExp    46 years, 2 +1
FamilySz    2 child, 1
MilService  8 years, 4
AnnualIncome  1/cap, 2    lux hooked up
Productivity     24, 5 -1

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%of world area    1.     Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 1  
%of world pop    19, -1  Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 15, -1
1 city culture   27, +2, Apolyton; Top rival, Laranja Verde 27, +2
Civ culture      27, +2, Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 27, +2

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Military vs:
Civ3 brazil, Changed to Average

Images:

	02-09-2005 13:49									#5
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Island to the north

	02-09-2005 17:58									#6
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Can be a peninsula

	02-09-2005 18:04									#7
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Is there a risk that the Brazuca warrior will park on the Ivory? And thus deny us of that resource. It seems like we only got one ivory in our neerest proximity.

	02-09-2005 18:40									#8
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Let them park on it. Then, we can get the Iron connected and send a Vet Swordsman to talk to that Reg Warrior.

E_T

	02-09-2005 18:51									#9
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quote: Originally posted by jagjef Is there a risk that the Brazuca warrior will park on the Ivory? And thus deny us of that resource. It seems like we only got one ivory in our neerest proximity.

I doubt it. We are about to sign a big diplomatic deal, and I do not expect any hostile attitude from them. Not now.
Patience, grasshopper. Patience. Just 50 turns…

About the Ivory, most likely everyone has it. At least, it’s the thought of our wise men…

	02-09-2005 19:18									#10
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Our military could have changed because we lost 1 hp but I guess they built a warrior as they built a settler a few turns ago.

It is also not sure whether it is a connected luxury or perhaps horses. I doubt anybody has researched iron yet

	04-09-2005 13:04									#11
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Population 160000 - 1st. (still 1st).
Population Ranking as follow :

1st - Poly (Pop 5, +5 food, Granary completed in 2850BC this turn),
2nd - CDZ (Pop 4, +5 food. 2nd city (built 3150BC) Pop 2, +4 food)
3rd - CBR (Pop 3, +5 food, Founded 2nd City in 3100BC)
4th to 6th
CGN (Pop 3, +6 +7 +7 food, grow every 3 turns. 2nd city founded in 2950BC). Capital Invictus likely to have produced a Worker last turn.
PAL (Pop 3, produced a Settler in 2900BC ! Built Granary in 3100BC. Likely at +5 food. Likely to have Founded 2nd City this turn in 2850BC) Land Area dropped to 5th.
BAT (Pop 3, produced a Settler in 2900BC ! Built Granary in 3100BC . Likely at +4 food)

Both BAT and PAL produced a Settler. My guess is PAL founded a city. My reasons being - PAL has 2 workers, they are industrous, hence able to quickly road their Settler to the 2nd city location. But it's just a guess.

Also, with most teams having 2nd cities now, assessing city population has become more difficuilt. If you find any errors, please do not hesitate to point out.

Analysis (for PAL) as follow :


GNP 10m = 5th. (GNP flat, position dropped from 4th to 5th)
This turn. 12, 12, 11, 11, 10 (Poly), 8
Last turn. 12, 12, 11, 10 (Poly), 8, 8
Whoever built the 2nd city (my guess is PAL) has leapfrogged over us.

Mfg Goods 9 megatons - 1st (Mfg flat, position from 2nd to 1st)
This turn order. 9 (Poly), 8, 8, 7, 6, 6
Last turn order. 10, 9 (Poly), 8, 7, 6, 6
Well, one team was maximising its shield production last turn.

Productivity 24 = 5th. (Productivity Flat, position dropped from 4th to 5th)
This turn order. >24, >24, >24, >24, 24 (Poly), 18
Last turn order. >24, >24, >24, 24 (Poly), 17, 16
Sigh ! Whoever build the 2nd city overtook us.

CBR Intelligence
Below is my assessment of CBR capital - Laranja Verde, the population growth, production etc, with comparison against Apolytion as reference :

1. CBR found Laranja Verde in 4000BC. From 4000BC to 3500BC, LV produced 3 Warriors and grew at +4 Food per turn.
2. From 3500BC to 3200BC, LV produced Settler. It's still at +4 Food per turn.
3. From 3250BC to 3000BC (Current), LV seem to have improved to +5 Food per turn !
4. CBR is now military average (F2) to us. Even if i fortified all our Warriors, we can't get back to strong vs them. They should have 5 warriors. My guess is : their capital produced W4 sometime back and their 2nd city produced W5 this turn.



Note : Some further testing is required. My military strength calculator is PTW version, need to validate if it works on a VV unit.

Military Svcs - 4th, (remained 4th)
No change. CBR is ahead of us.

Technology
No change. CBR has Alphabet, CB. We can sell them Bronze Working

Luxury
This turn, our annual income dropped to 2nd. One team has connected a luxury. It could be the team that founded a city this team or it could be any other team who has roaded a luxury.

Also, our life expectancy improved from 3rd to 2nd, after we completed the Granary.

Last edited by rush on 04-09-2005 at 13:18

	04-09-2005 20:12									#12
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Using BFM's Army Strength formula,

Poly is average vs CBR, when

CBR has 2 Veteran and 3 Regular Warriors
or CBR has 1 Veteran and 5 Regular Warriors.

BFM's formula :

quote: Unit Strength = (MAX (3;Hitpoints) / 3) * (0.6 * Attack Value + 0.4 * {Defense Value * 1.25 if Fortified} + Bombard Strength Value / 15) * (1.01 if UU and CivSpecificAbilitiesOn) Army Strength = Sum (Unit Strengths) * (Factor depending on ArmySupportCost)

Spreadsheet :


Disclaimer : 1. this formula is not 100% accurate, there are other ingredients not fully discovered, 2. the terrain where the units are standing on does impact the calculation, 3. we do not fully understand the Army support cost factors.

I did some testing but found results not conclusive. I was using small map, hotseat, 2 Civ (Netherlands, Sumeria), no Barbs, Emperor level, but i overproduced the Warriors and had to disband some. Once i disbanded, the F3 Army strength completely went haywire. Perhaps more testing is required.

P_A, the formula suggests that dropping hit points from 3 to 2 has no impact on the calculation. But please note the disclaimer.

	04-09-2005 21:39									#13
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I think the hitpoint in the term: " (MAX (3;Hitpoints) / 3) " are not the maximum HP but the current HP the unit has.
Though I'm not sure about it as I usually do not look at the army statistics...