30-08-2005 05:57									#1
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just got back from my weekly visit

while scanning the shelf looking for the only real game to buy

I noticed the bottom right corner

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(building tension)
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I asked if the date ment "expected", "best quess"
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No, its when we plan to have it in store and if its early
we will call
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was the reply
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11/16 is the date
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NOTE: for those pre ordering will get a special cover and tech tree fold out

	30-08-2005 06:25									#2
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will they call you if its late?

i wouldnt put to much faith in that....

edit;although it is a reasonable time

	30-08-2005 09:13									#3
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That's the date everyone (game sites with any evidence whatsoever) seems to expect. Firaxis themselves have said November a number of times, so it's probably not too far off

	30-08-2005 10:59									#4
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november 16th is the date that's most close to all dates in november, so it's the best guess you can have if it's november

	30-08-2005 13:35									#5
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Best guess from a shop so far.

	30-08-2005 23:26									#6
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Hey, November 16th! My birthday!!

	30-08-2005 23:54									#7
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It won't hit Europe and ROW til late January then?

	31-08-2005 00:14									#8
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy november 16th is the date that's most close to all dates in november

so the 15th to near and 17th to far?

	31-08-2005 12:14									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin It won't hit Europe and ROW til late January then?

Solution: Amazon (or any competitor) and the Postal International Union.

	01-09-2005 00:20									#10
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Was Civ III released in the states first and then Europe? I canīt remember...

	01-09-2005 01:30									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg Was Civ III released in the states first and then Europe? I canīt remember...

Yes.

	01-09-2005 02:05									#12
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I think it wasn't released much later overhere in The Netherlands, but I may be wrong though.

	05-09-2005 02:34									#13
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The english Version was AFAIK available in german stores short after the US-Release (at the same time as the UK-Release).
But it took months(AFAIR even half a year) till a german translated version came out (which resulted in the well known story of Coldfever who wrote a german translation for the english version [using the textfiles that came with the program] and made it downloadable on his webpage, but was stopped by Infogrames shortly thereafter )

	05-09-2005 02:59									#14
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Vanilla was released withing days but both PTW and C3C come out much later, in the case of C3C, it was much much much later.

	05-09-2005 03:04									#15
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte Solution: Amazon (or any competitor) and the Postal International Union.

American shops (including webshops) don't allow shipping to Europe of products that haven't officially been released here (don't know if that's retailer policy or enforced by the publisher or even law (probably one of the latter two)). The only solution would be to let a buddy in the US buy the game and have him mail it. But that can take up to two weeks with regular mail (and that's assuming customs don't give you trouble), at which time the game's probably out in Europe as well.

quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I think it wasn't released much later overhere in The Netherlands, but I may be wrong though.

It was about 2-3 weeks later than in the US, for most of Europe.

	05-09-2005 08:47									#16
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That means that its European release should neatly coincide with the release date in Australia!!! If this is the case, then shouldn't we now be seeing previews and developers diaries on an almost weekly-nay daily-basis? After all, with only another 2.5 months (63 days) left til the US release, they should be 'hyping it to the moon and back' !
Oh and, btw, I am counting on all of you State-side people to give some honest reviews of the game between November and December, 'cause I will be using your comments as a guide to my own purchasing decisions!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

	05-09-2005 16:47									#17
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I hope they get a move and decide a date, I need to get booking some time off work

	05-09-2005 18:45									#18
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I have seen more and more shops say November 17th, so I think it's a pretty good bet to expect it to come around that date.

	05-09-2005 19:56									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus American shops (including webshops) don't allow shipping to Europe of products that haven't officially been released here (don't know if that's retailer policy or enforced by the publisher or even law (probably one of the latter two)).

It's enforced by the publisher, as for DVD movie Region locked, etc.
Sometime is quite difficult to buy the original USA version or english international version, ever if the game is already released in the country (here in Italy, at least).

Any local distributor and reseller isn't happy to spend time and money translating and advertising the game, then to lose money on "parallel and unauthorized" import.
Free trade seems a strange concept, sometime, also between USA and European Union.
Better to take this into account when tuning "free market civic" game effect.

	05-09-2005 20:58									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus American shops (including webshops) don't allow shipping to Europe of products that haven't officially been released here (don't know if that's retailer policy or enforced by the publisher or even law (probably one of the latter two)). The only solution would be to let a buddy in the US buy the game and have him mail it. But that can take up to two weeks with regular mail (and that's assuming customs don't give you trouble), at which time the game's probably out in Europe as well. It was about 2-3 weeks later than in the US, for most of Europe.

This is true for South America, too. At least in Brazil.

	05-09-2005 21:04									#21
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Only children's games are translated in Norway thankfully...

	05-09-2005 22:40									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith It's enforced by the publisher, as for DVD movie Region locked, etc. Sometime is quite difficult to buy the original USA version or english international version, ever if the game is already released in the country (here in Italy, at least).

The same problem is here in DK too

quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Any local distributor and reseller isn't happy to spend time and money translating and advertising the game, then to lose money on "parallel and unauthorized" import.

Then they should do the smart thing: Do NOT waste time and money translating a game into a language nobody wants to play the game in anyway... and the worst part is that they force you to play the game that way (or at least often they do)

	05-09-2005 22:43									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Only children's games are translated in Norway thankfully...

Unfair...


Why is there a difference in this from Denmark to Norway?



Of course it's not all games that gets translated, but for each year that passes by the percentage of translated games goes up
It's not a large number yet, but so far they have done this to quite a few non-childrens games

	06-09-2005 01:47									#24
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quote: Only children's games are translated in Norway thankfully...

Don't forget the Sims 1 and 2. Those game were translated, but I have no idea why.

	06-09-2005 02:21									#25
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That is why if it is not released here simultaneously, I will 'acquire' it in the meantime...

	06-09-2005 02:25									#26
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Yeah, the Sims were translated, but one could choose whether to use Norwegian or English or a few other languages.

	06-09-2005 04:27									#27
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This is clearly why America is the best country in the world

	06-09-2005 06:02									#28
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yeah, we're too lazy to learn other languages so we make other people learn ours

What's really sad is most of the people on this board have better grammer than most American students.

	07-09-2005 17:31									#29
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Today I also went to EB Games (in Essen) and they mentioned an even earlier date,
i.e. 11/05

So either the the Stores in Germany get the game before the stores in USA (well, somehow improbable I think )
or the EB Game stores in different countries have different informations about releasedates (IMHO also improbable as they AFAIK tap into the same information network)
or the Beta-Tests are so successful that Firaxis thinks about releasing the game eralier than expected
(well, if you take in to account that important persons at Firaxis like Breitkreutz and Sorenson now have time to undertake work outings to Game Fora like Apolyton, this third possibility seems probable )

	07-09-2005 22:38									#30
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Can't wait.