30-08-2005 06:42									#1
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Crawler-hurry a tree farm in GH?
Crawler-hurry a bioenhancement center in FB?

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	30-08-2005 13:29									#2
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Yeah! Better use those crawlers before Yang toasts them...
Can we do both or do we have to choose one? (in this case, I think the bio-center would have priority due to the extra-move elite gives to the units)

I haven't seen whether we have enough crawlers around AU to MM the forest.

I must admit I am a little upset for our formers and crawlers near Yang's border.

	01-09-2005 05:00									#3
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We can do both.

	03-09-2005 06:47									#4
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Should we give all our techs to Zak next year?

	03-09-2005 11:02									#5
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If the Angels can get money from Zak, I wouldn't trust him not to give or trade techs too...

	03-09-2005 11:47									#6
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Good point. It would be nice to use Zak this way, but I think it is too dangerous. What we can do, is give him the techs others already have.

	03-09-2005 20:23									#7
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IIRC the only tech that no one else yet has is Applied Relativity. I did a little test in the ACDG simulator and unfortunately Zak doesn't seem able to select Presentient Algorithms without that tech. Other usefuls such as Silksteel Alloys and MMI are available though.

This is of course all assuming the AI is limited by the mod3 rule.

	04-09-2005 05:53									#8
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• Advanced Military Algorithms researched. The choices for our next research project were Centauri Empathy or Presentient Algorithms. The latter selected.
  
• Aid Station renamed Defiance Freehold. Health Authority renamed Hero's Waypoint.
  
• Cleaned out the unit workshop now that we have chaos weaponry.
  
  
• Zak has moved a probe himself in his new base Academgorodok. I wonder what's causing him to be so smart about probe defenses.
  
• A university missile noodle has landed in Vijayanagar. I wonder where he's going.
  
  
• Laborer's Throng conquered with Spartan Kel. 4 credits diverted. Immediately traded it back to the Hive in return for a truce. He isn't interested in a treaty - might be related to us having a treacherous reputation... Kel and a B-4 have been teleported to Minas Tirith. What to do now with the forces that AFAIK were scheduled to move to the Hive?
  
• B-4 near Hole of Aspiration lands in 2NS to act as police - 2NS worker is now able to be placed on new forest.
  
• B-4 in MT flies to FB for repairs.
  
• Mind worm flamed near the Ironholm hunting arena. Our worm grew to pre-boil.
  
• Probe team escorts a Uni CP.
  
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• I got the option to change OA F-6 production for free towards F-8 after the chaos prototype was completed.
  
• VIJ nutrient worker relocated to a forest, now the nutrient tanks are full.
  
• Tegean condenser farmed relocated to a forest. Production set to a crawler. (ok?)
  
• Fort Libertar worker changed into a librarian to avoid riots when the base popbooms to size 9.
  
• Set Fort Soup to bioenhancement center production?
  
• How about hurrying a tree farm in Argos?
  
• Messenan librarian relocated to a new forest.
  
• Bioenhancement center in FB, and tree farm in GH hurried with a crawler.
  
  
  
  
• Kelp growth near Gythium Harbour. Forest growth near SC1 & Assassin's Redoubt.
  
• Crater tile defungicized. Forest over it?
  
• Forest planted near 2NS. Should we start on condenser farms on those nutrient boni now?
  
• Mine completed near AU. A bunch of crawlers now placed on the empty mines near AU.
  
• Forest plantation begun near MSN.
  
• Some formers near FS are moving to a rocky tile to mine it.

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	04-09-2005 23:22									#9
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Propositions/suggestions/opinions/remarks

-- Tree Farm in Argos: I'd prefer a Forest in AU first.

-- Crater tile: I don't know the % of forest spreading into clear or fungus tiles. if significantly different, then let's forest the tile before moving to another one.

-- 2NS: I'd say we let the formers forest and we'll build a farm and a creche later. Better former-time efficiency. Or, if we really want more nuts fast, a seaformer.

-- Rush the crawler in ARC? (and also in Kel and B-112?)

	04-09-2005 23:46									#10
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quote: Originally posted by vishniac -- Tree Farm in Argos: I'd prefer a Forest in AU first.

For the record, I calculated the profits yesterday:

AU hybrid forest 24 rows cost
11 energy:
5 credits -> 10-4=6 credits
6 labs -> 24 labs -> 28.8 labs

Argos tree farm/CC/rec commons/two (clean) CDFs 25 rows
to size9: 6 x 2-2-1 + 3 labs
12 minerals
2 credits
10.8 labs

quote: -- 2NS: I'd say we let the formers forest and we'll build a farm and a creche later. Better former-time efficiency. Or, if we really want more nuts fast, a seaformer.

All non-fungal tiles are already forested. So we'd need to clear fungus first. Is that ok?

	05-09-2005 02:02									#11
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So, it depends on what we want:
AU for more labs or Argos for minerals (=crawlers).

As for 2NS, defungussing is ok. Is the former already fungicide? If not, we should consider upgrading it

	05-09-2005 04:16									#12
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quote: Originally posted by vishniac As for 2NS, defungussing is ok.

I'll let you move those formers then.
Edit: 2NS already has a creche btw. No nutrient surplus though.

quote: Is the former already fungicide? If not, we should consider upgrading it

Nope, not fungicidal. Though how about waiting with upgrading, if we might get clean reactors from the Corporation soon? Then we could kill two flies with one hit.


I'll play the turn a bit further now. Though - once again - I probably won't be able to finish it. I have my second and last exam the sixth of september, and I'll be in Gent tomorrow evening without internet access.

	05-09-2005 06:04									#13
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• Forestation begun in the crater.
  
• Mine under construction east of Sparta Command.
  
• New MT former moves NE-NE. I assume a forest there would be nice.
  
• Two formers south of SC1 move to some empty tiles for road building.
  
• Tomcat-SCW2 continues on its forestation task near GH.
  
• New GH former decided to go plant some forest north of SC2.
  
  
• Crawlers hurried in ARC, B112, Kel Harbour,
  
• SC2's and OA's mineral production needed to be reduced to prevent waste. Some crawler shuffling, worker wizardry and unit rehoming acrobatics done to achieve this end.
  
  
• Damaged Vijayanagaran rover moves to Iaci Base for repairs (though I just realized it would have been faster to move to the monolith to the north...). The F-6 in VIJ deals with the mind worm.
  
• No worm hunting luck in Southern Arcadia.
  
• The SCC Njord did a quick exploration of Mart Pact. Defenses still the same, except for a commando Beaver B-6 needlejet that has landed there. The Njord then moved to cover the Disco Volante which is now in range of Mart Pact...
  
• Three rovers and a probe team board on the SNC Heimdall, which together with the SCC Minas Tirith and a B-4 as escort also hides in the fungus, should we wish to invade Mart Pact next turn.
  
• A bunch of needlejets converge at Fort Sol.
  
• Some probe movements in Southern Arcadia to fill in for the Fort Sol probe who boarded the Heimdall.
  
• The SNC Tiger's Claw sails back in the general direction of Vladivostok.
  
• Rolling Thunder II and 2NS probe defenses return to their normal duties, disappointed with the early end of the second Hive-Spartan war.
  
• F-6 in 2NS crosses the ocean for the umpteenth time.
  
• SCC Iaci sails south. There it can guard our borders where hunting for IoDs at the same time.

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	05-09-2005 06:27									#14
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Here's a new attachment. I noticed I forgot to hurry the bioenhancement center in Fort Buster a little.

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	05-09-2005 16:21									#15
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If nobody else, then I'll finish and post the turn.
I can do it this evening or wait until tomorrow morning for last minute suggestions.
I'd prefer faster but...

For now, I'll wait before opening the turn, for fear of being accused of tampering.

So, still to be made:
- move formers around 2NS
- send a B-6 to Hero's Waypoint and patrol the Gaian border with the other
- explore with the IoD
- hurry (a little) bio-center in FB
- upgrade a former at AU
- bring back rover & probe on our side of the Hiverian border (or directly into 2NS)

Last edited by vishniac on 05-09-2005 at 16:42

	05-09-2005 16:34									#16
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quote: Originally posted by vishniac So, still to be made: - move formers around 2NS - send a B-6 to Hero's Waypoint and patrol the Gaian border with the other - explore with the IoD - hurry (a little) bio-center in FB - upgrade a former at AU

Some other units need to be moved too. I hurried the bioenhancement center in Fort Buster in my last save - I forgot to hurry it in my penultimate which I edtied away. And if you want a hybrid forest I'd suggest upgrading a crawler, not a former (but I assume this is just a writing error.)

	05-09-2005 16:47									#17
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Yeah, I've got that obsession with formers (the builder's tools! )

As edited above, I'll bring back the rover & probe from Hiverian territory too.

	05-09-2005 16:51									#18
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Btw, there's no danger in opening the turn. You can just save the turn again without doing anything if you just want to have a look.

	05-09-2005 19:41									#19
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I forgot to give our techs to Zak!

	05-09-2005 20:07									#20
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Just a quickie - I noticed that we are still running a 2 nut surplus at AU altho our pop is maxxwd at 16 - we can convert a worker to a librarian there.

And look for other maxxed bases that are size 9 and don't have a hab complex

G. (internet access is even worse than I feared!!)

	06-09-2005 01:27									#21
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Some lightning must have struck something: no cable TV, no Internet for the last 2 1/2 hours!

Ok:
- Put 2 formers defungussing a rocky tile east of 2NS
- the IoD is just west of the landbridge, sailing boldly to where no IoD has gone before!
- veteran B6 arrived at Hero's Waypoint
- disciplined B6 patrols the landstrip south of Kel Harbour
- crawler upgraded at AU

Now, I don't know what to do with our military units. Who's talking for the Defense Ministry here?
Modo, Stary, any idea?
- F8 at Fort Sup
- F8 at Rio Grande
- F6 at Sector Craterwest
- Missile Infantry at ARC
- Probe Team between ARC and B-112 (going west it seems)
- General Tacticus & Coast Guard Cruiser north of Angels
- SCC Invincible south of 2NS
- Transport Foil west of Fort Sol

And I better not touch the workers at AU.
Only thing it allows me is to change one into a doctor. Can't get a librarian more...Whatever, nut surplus or not, all those guys are hard-working and those minerals won't be wasted I hope.

Without answers, that will be the final save.

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	06-09-2005 23:26									#22
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Call me dumb!
As I was away saturday night and downloaded a save on this thread later, I assumed the turn was due tuesday morning...

Ok, I finally moved a few units before passing the turn. I didn't saved so I'm not really sure of what I did but it's something like:
- F8 at Fort Sup - moved to Tegea Harbour
- F8 at Rio Grande - moved to Sparta Command
- F6 at Sector Craterwest - not touched
- Missile Infantry at ARC - on its way to Fort Sol
- Probe Team between ARC and B-112 (going west it seems) - arrived at Kel Harbour
- General Tacticus & Coast Guard Cruiser north of Angels - tried to stir something, then back where they were.
- SCC Invincible south of 2NS - tried to stir. Finished on the fungus tile W-NW
- Transport Foil west of Fort Sol - not touched.

That's what I get for abusing alcohol...

	07-09-2005 02:26									#23
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Trying to stir up some IoDs is always a good action when no other actions seem urgent.