30-08-2005 19:39									#1
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This turn we built a horse in Khan's Blood Hall. Now we need to decide what to build next.

We have already decided to build Knights Templar in our capital. This decision is not in jeopardy. What we're deciding in this poll is whether to build marketplace in our capital before the wonder.


Both buildings will be completed in 20 turns total, marketplace in 5 and Knights Templar in 15. Chivalry will be researched in 17 turns with 8 gpt surplus (60% science, 0% lux), though if we decide to build Knights Templar first it can be sped up to 14 turns using scientists.

Marketplace first will give us more money for upgrades. Knights Templar first will net us an additional crusader. It's up to the horde to decide.

	30-08-2005 20:12									#2
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While a marketplace is definately needed, we must not forget that one of the major benefits of Knights Templar is denying it to others. I do think that it is unlikely that others are working on this project now, but you never know. Knights Templar first for me.

	30-08-2005 20:47									#3
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in terms of force comparisons, we get money the equivalent of 3 keshik upgrades, translatable to 192 force points, compared to one crusader in the same duration worth 84 force points, and force points does not consider movement ratio. Keshiks is what we need first, and due to our horrific production ratio, the majority of our keshik force will comprise of upgrades.

I was tasked to find 400 or so extra gold, in addition to the AM deal and the land improvements, and the best way to secure this is to build marketplace first, see graphicss.

Compare the large blue areas, that shows the effectiveness of the reform, The Key date here is turn 20 (Green line) where the first Crusader is made. Market place will generate value of 3 keshiks to one crusader, or about 225 % of the combat value of a crusader. On the top of that, three keshiks got 6 moves between them and can cross hills and mountains, crusader got one. And we are likely not building many forts this game.

I honestly believe that noone wil complete Knights Templar in the timeframe extended with the market, I am not willing to pay such a price for hypothetical denial, as we see no wonder builds in process.


LEGEND

YELLOW: DISPOSABLE INCOME
BLUE: MARKET REFORM, ADDS DISPOSABLE INCOME
DARK RED: AM TRADE DEAL, 40 GPT FOR CHIVALRY
HORDE RED: MAIN INCOME

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	30-08-2005 20:58									#4
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I vote marketplace

Long term issues out way the immediate

	30-08-2005 21:24									#5
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I vote market first. We can use the delay in the production of KT to allow a longer period for research (and building up our forces) Besides--[edited for correction]

We must not build or upgrade to Keshiks w/o a better government system.

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	30-08-2005 21:56									#6
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Market

	30-08-2005 22:23									#7
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	31-08-2005 03:27									#8
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Build your Markets then, I still want the "Horde Slave Markets" soon.