31-08-2005 06:22									#1
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Just in case anybody besides Cindy was still wondering what Casey Sheehan died for:

quote: Army Contract Official Critical of Halliburton Pact Is Demoted By ERIK ECKHOLM A top Army contracting official who criticized a large, noncompetitive contract with the Halliburton Company for work in Iraq was demoted Saturday for what the Army called poor job performance. The official, Bunnatine H. Greenhouse, has worked in military procurement for 20 years and for the past several years had been the chief overseer of contracts at the Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that has managed much of the reconstruction work in Iraq. The demotion removes her from the elite Senior Executive Service and reassigns her to a lesser job in the corps' civil works division. Ms. Greenhouse's lawyer, Michael Kohn, called the action an "obvious reprisal" for the strong objections she raised in 2003 to a series of corps decisions involving the Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root, which has garnered more than $10 billion for work in Iraq. Dick Cheney led Halliburton, which is based in Texas, before he became vice president. "She is being demoted because of her strict adherence to procurement requirements and the Army's preference to sidestep them when it suits their needs," Mr. Kohn said Sunday in an interview. He also said the Army had violated a commitment to delay Ms. Greenhouse's dismissal until the completion of an inquiry by the Pentagon's inspector general. Carol Sanders, spokeswoman for the Army Corps of Engineers, said Sunday that the personnel action against Ms. Greenhouse had been approved by the Department of the Army. And in a memorandum dated June 3, 2005, as the demotion was being arranged, the commander of the corps, Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, said the administrative record "clearly demonstrates that Ms. Greenhouse's removal from the S.E.S. is based on her performance and not in retaliation for any disclosures of alleged improprieties that she may have made." Known as a stickler for the rules on competition, Ms. Greenhouse initially received stellar performance ratings, Mr. Kohn said. But her reviews became negative at roughly the time she began objecting to decisions she saw as improperly favoring Kellogg Brown & Root, he said. Often she hand-wrote her concerns on the contract documents, a practice that corps leaders called unprofessional and confusing. In October 2004, General Strock, citing two consecutive performance reviews that called Ms. Greenhouse an uncooperative manager, informed her that she would be demoted. Ms. Greenhouse fought the demotion through official channels, and publicly described her clashes with Corps of Engineers leaders over a five-year, $7 billion oil-repair contract awarded to Kellogg Brown & Root. She had argued that if urgency required a no-bid contract, its duration should be brief. Ms. Greenhouse had also fought the granting of a waiver to Kellogg Brown & Root in December 2003, approving the high prices it had paid for fuel imports for Iraq, and had objected to extending its five-year contract for logistical support in the Balkans for 11 months and $165 million without competitive bidding. In late June, ignoring warnings from her superiors, Ms. Greenhouse appeared before a Congressional panel, calling the Kellogg Brown & Root oil contract "the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed during the course of my professional career." She also said the defense secretary's office had improperly interfered in the awarding of the contract. Her demotion was delayed when the Army's senior legal officials said they would first seek an independent investigation of her reprisal complaint. "The Army has referred this matter to the Department of Defense inspector general for their review and action, as appropriate," said an Oct. 22, 2004, letter to Ms. Greenhouse's lawyer from Robert M. Fano, the Army's chief of civilian personnel law. The acting secretary of the Army, Mr. Fano wrote, had also directed the Corps of Engineers to "suspend any adverse personnel action so that Ms. Greenhouse remains in her current position until a sufficient record is available to address the specific matters you raised." But on July 14, the Army secretary approved Ms. Greenhouse's demotion, effective Aug. 27. With his request to proceed, General Strock had provided an unsigned nine-page memorandum, reviewing Ms. Greenhouse's recent performance ratings and responding to her allegations of impropriety. Mr. Kohn said Sunday that the inspector general had not finished investigating the matter and that the demotion violated the Army secretary's commitment to wait on any action. Mr. Kohn said that when he telephoned Dan Meyer, director of civilian reprisal investigations in the inspector general's office, on Aug. 24, Mr. Meyer was "shocked" to learn that the corps had proceeded against Ms. Greenhouse. Mr. Meyer said that he was immediately opening a "civilian reprisal" investigation and faxed forms to Mr. Kohn to initiate the process, Mr. Kohn said. A Pentagon spokesman said Sunday that the inspector general's office could not be reached for comment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/i...i=5070&emc=eta1

	31-08-2005 06:27									#2
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I for one wrote a letter to my state senators informing of my intention to not vote Republican again, in all local, state and federal elections until they could show that the values of the Constitution, etc actually meant something to them, bla bla bla...who cares it won't be read. But at least I did it.

	31-08-2005 06:27									#3
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Where does "Rufus T. Firefly" come from?

	31-08-2005 06:29									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Where does "Rufus T. Firefly" come from?

The name is from the Marx brothers movie, Duck Soup
The character is from Freedonia
I'm from Chicago

I think that covers everything that question could possibly mean...

	31-08-2005 07:45									#6
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:sleep:

Of course the article fails to go into what the military actually demoted her for, just a vague referance to "job performance."

For all you know she was showing up to work drunk for the last three years. Because we all know that if you take up a position of the left, you cannot be fired for anything else.

	31-08-2005 08:11									#7
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making excuses for political demotions

	31-08-2005 09:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos :sleep: Of course the article fails to go into what the military actually demoted her for, just a vague referance to "job performance." For all you know she was showing up to work drunk for the last three years. Because we all know that if you take up a position of the left, you cannot be fired for anything else.

Actually, we KNOW what you just wrote is utter crap, since the article posted states she was recieving stellar job performance reviews until some time in 2003.

	31-08-2005 09:25									#9
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Also, I find it curious? Since when is trying to defend the integrity of the government bidding process "a position of the left"?

Are you admitting Patty that the Right stands for the values of Nepotism and Corruption?

	31-08-2005 09:38									#10
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quote: Also, I find it curious? Since when is trying to defend the integrity of the government bidding process "a position of the left"? Are you admitting Patty that the Right stands for the values of Nepotism and Corruption?

PWNED

	31-08-2005 14:18									#11
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quote: For all you know she was showing up to work drunk for the last three years.

That's nice. Did you read that from FOX news?

	31-08-2005 15:12									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Are you admitting Patty that the Right stands for the values of Nepotism and Corruption?

Don't you just love it when minions of the right are accidentally honest?

	31-08-2005 16:09									#13
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quote: Since when is trying to defend the integrity of the government bidding process "a position of the left"?

No.

Automatic and unqualified hatred of the Halyburton corporation, Yes.

I am talking about your automatic support for her, even though you don't know why she was fired.

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	31-08-2005 16:50									#15
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quote: No. Automatic and unqualified hatred of the Halyburton corporation, Yes. I am talking about your automatic support for her, even though you don't know why she was fired.

No you weren't talking about his/ or the left's support for her.

quote: originally posted by Patroklos :sleep: Of course the article fails to go into what the military actually demoted her for, just a vague referance to "job performance." For all you know she was showing up to work drunk for the last three years. Because we all know that if you take up a position of the left, you cannot be fired for anything else.

Now one can clearly see, you were talking about HER, because she's the one that was fired. You claimed that she took a position of the left AND she criticized the accountability and clarity of thebidding process.

Great panicky backtrack.

	31-08-2005 17:03									#16
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quote: Often she hand-wrote her concerns on the contract documents, a practice that corps leaders called unprofessional and confusing.

that's because corps leaders can only ready letters in courier or at best, arial

	31-08-2005 17:20									#17
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quote: Now one can clearly see, you were talking about HER, because she's the one that was fired. You claimed that she took a position of the left AND she criticized the accountability and clarity of thebidding process.

Bullshit. The left hates Halyburton, someone who similarly hates Halyburton gets fired, left comes to the rescue.

She took a position held as gospel by the left, where did I say she was even on the left.

I made an observation about YOU GUYS, that if someone in line with your thinking gets fired, it HAS to be because of it of that.

Reading comprehension

	31-08-2005 17:22									#18
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Why would she hate halliburton?

In fact, why would the left hate halliburton more than any other corporation?

	31-08-2005 17:24									#19
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quote: In fact, why would the left hate halliburton more than any other corporation?

Have you been here long?

Because the people that ***** slapped them into 8 years of irrelevance are connected to it.

	31-08-2005 17:36									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Because the people that ***** slapped them into 8 years of irrelevance are connected to it.

Are you saying that the White House has connections with Haliburton? That same firm that has been getting humongus contracts from the US government without going through the proper bidding process?

Shocking.

	31-08-2005 17:44									#22
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I would consider Cheney a big connection.

Not an improper one, but that hardly matters for conspiracy theories.

	31-08-2005 17:52									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I would consider Cheney a big connection. Not an improper one...

Well, i agree with half of your statement.

	31-08-2005 17:54									#24
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You're right, Pat. The left generally defends army officers, which I guess is good since the right looks ready to dispose of anyone, military or no, if they go against the administration or its cronies.

I'll admit you're also right that the article doesn't mention what exactly she was fired for. It does mention her "stellar" performance ratings before the criticism, warnings from superiors not to testify to congress, and her writing on contract documents.
You also might note that she was demoted before the inquiry was completed, which had this not occurred the article would probably have never made the news.

But you just go on believing whatever you want to.

* Theben pats patroklos on head condescendingly

	31-08-2005 18:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Automatic and unqualified hatred of the Halyburton corporation, Yes.

it's not automatic, and it is most certainly QUALIFIED... Halliburton RAPES TAXPAYERS, PROFITS FROM WAR, and contributes to the general destruction of the planet.

It's not as if people hate them for no reason.

quote: I am talking about your automatic support for her, even though you don't know why she was fired.

I know exactly why she was fired.

She criticized Halliburton contracts.

Just like General Shinseki was fired because he said we needed more troops.

Just like former EPA chief Christine Todd Whitman "resigned" because she dared to try and seek a middle ground between "save the environment" policies and Bush's "rape the Earth" policies.

Just like former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was fired because he refused to lie about Iraq.

WAKE UP PAT.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FIRES PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL REASONS!

	31-08-2005 18:22									#26
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Jesus Christ, Patroklos, are you really that dense?

Sava:

	31-08-2005 18:33									#27
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quote: I know exactly why she was fired. She criticized Halliburton contracts.

No.

quote: In October 2004, General Strock, citing two consecutive performance reviews that called Ms. Greenhouse an uncooperative manager, informed her that she would be demoted.

Reviews that for the most part no one here has any clue about as far as content.

Sorry, you are just spouting automatic replys, and defending her ONLY because her critisim is in line with your political views, even if her motives were not political in nature (which they almost definetly were not).

quote: Just like former EPA chief Christine Todd Whitman "resigned" because she dared to try and seek a middle ground between "save the environment" policies and Bush's "rape the Earth" policies.

Replies like this are exactly what proves my point.

You are are simply zealots.

	31-08-2005 18:38									#28
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And you're ignoring repetitive patterns of behavior on the part of the admin b/c it's in line with YOUR political beliefs.

	31-08-2005 18:46									#29
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Is there any indication that she hates, or has any feelings either way, about Haliburton? Seems to me she was upset about the process by which the contracts were granted.

	31-08-2005 18:47									#30
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Out of several million government employees, 5 who disagree with Bush (suposedly) get fired.

Hell of a pattern.

I guess I should go ahead a critisize something so all of you will run to my rescue if I ever get demoted or lose a promotion for piss poor performace

And of course, the administration didn't fire her, or are you positive that General is a republican, or even a conservative. Nah, we will just assume he is, much easier and politically expediant.