31-08-2005 22:32									#61
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Those who land on feet have more chance of survival...

quote: Over 720 persons are reported to have died jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge. A review of 100 consecutive autopsies showed that, in the majority of cases, massive pulmonary contusion, pneumothorax, laceration or perforation of the heart, great vessels, or lungs by displaced ribs were the causes of immediate death. Irreparable fractures of the liver or spleen were the most common abdominal injuries. The persons fatally injured appeared to have entered the water in a horizontal position, experiencing maximal deceleration. In contrast, six survivors entered the water feet first with more gradual deceleration. These survivors remained conscious but sustained similar injuries of lesser degree; only one sustained rib fractures. Fifty per cent had fractures of the liver or spleen requiring operative therapy. Fifty per cent sustained lung contusions and subsequent pneumothoraces. Suspicion of underlying injuries to the liver, spleen, and lungs is essential during resuscitation of those who survive impact with water.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...2&dopt=Abstract

	31-08-2005 22:35									#62
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	31-08-2005 22:49									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Sava uhmmm children usually can't swim re: cyanide

a lot of people in the third world never get the chance to learn to swim (or ride a bike or ski for that matter).

	31-08-2005 22:59									#64
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Az, you obviously aren't familiar with the differential equation describing free fall with air friction . Not that that was what I was aiming at with my comment about kids, but never mind. I think MOEBIUS is right, I'm getting awfully close to producing charts and diagrams, something I'd rather not do in this thread out of symbolic respect for the victims.

	31-08-2005 23:07									#65
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quote: Those who land on feet have more chance of survival...

Again, what's that to do with mass? If anything, it proves that babies have less chances of survival, because they exert lower pressure on the water surface upon entry, so they'll have less chance of breaking it, and more chance of crashing into the water, and not penetrating it. Because that's why those who land vertically survive: they break the water surface.

Btw, Mr. Aeronautics engineer, I am awaiting your Diff. Eq. . I was sure that a the surface is a pretty good approximation if we're dealing with a spherical body ( from this air pollution course I took once ), but I am intrigued.

	31-08-2005 23:26									#66
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion This one is 23 meters and people jump from it every year. How many people fell in the water, did they all die?

It has been a very deadly bridge nevertheless.
Has the crap copy been constructed allready?

	31-08-2005 23:28									#67
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You guys need to consider the fact that mass increases much faster than surface area as the linear dimensions increase. Lets say the adult is twice as big as the kid in any dimension. That would give him 8 times the mass of the child but his legs would only have 4 times the surface area to absorb the impact. Thus his legs would be subjected to twice the pressure as the kid's legs. This is all assuming their bodies have roughly the same proportions and they fall on solid ground. It may be very different when you fall into water, but I leave it to you experts to debate that.

	01-09-2005 00:28									#68
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Idiotic discussion.

10 or so people falling on your head from 30 meters while you try to swim, will surely kill both you and them, assuming you survived the 30 meter fall in the first place.

	01-09-2005 02:07									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Idiotic discussion.

You tell 'em CO - these knuckleheads won't listen to me...

	01-09-2005 09:14									#70
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A moment of silence


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	01-09-2005 10:11									#71
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Because they were Muslims? I have a hard time believeing you'd be the first to propose the same for Jews, Christians or followers of Falun Gong.

	01-09-2005 10:18									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Sava excessive thumb usage Ted Striker

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[bad humor]

By the time hundreds of them fell off the bridge, did the later ones really have as far to fall?

[/bad humor]

	01-09-2005 10:45									#74
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965 now.

	01-09-2005 12:25									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Because they were Muslims? I have a hard time believeing you'd be the first to propose the same for Jews, Christians or followers of Falun Gong.

Is this your contribution to the thread?

Take your political axe grinding elsewhere, Winston.

	01-09-2005 12:28									#76
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No need to get all defensive. Or? I notice you didn't address my question.

	01-09-2005 12:58									#77
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What does them being Muslim have to do with Urban Ranger asking for a moment of silence?

Or are you just projecting your own stereotypes and Urban Ranger just happened to come along at the right time?

	01-09-2005 13:01									#78
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I found it an insincere act of mindless political correctness, if you must know.

	01-09-2005 13:03									#79
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I'm sure you were able to scan his brain and know exactly what his intentions were.

	01-09-2005 13:04									#80
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No, that's why I asked him, Ted Striker.

	01-09-2005 13:40									#81
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Almost a thousand muslims just died and Winston cares more about people that are alive and well of another religion/race than people who have died and their families...

Apparently Winston thinks expressing sorrow over the tragic and unnecessary deaths of muslims is an insincere act of mindless political correctness.

	01-09-2005 13:54									#82
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Now here's something completely and totally not PC. But has anyone of you thought that maybe... just maybe this is an act of Jesus, because Allah created hurrican in the states.. this might be Jesus comign back right at them ... you know.. it's possible.. anything is possible.

I know. Bad joke. I'm sorry. Just had to say it. I guess I'm an ******* now. I accept.

	01-09-2005 17:04									#83
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Bad Cow! Bad Cow! Very Bad Cow!

What is the reaction to this in the middle east?

	01-09-2005 17:17									#84
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Why bad cow?

It's tres funny

	01-09-2005 17:23									#85
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion So, is Tigris deep or fast or cold...? If people fell in it unhurt, I'd expect a majority to swim to the shore...? CNN's site is very terse on the whole story...

Ever try to swim in a burka after a long fall?

	01-09-2005 17:28									#86
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Yeah, it's called common sense - something that is woefully lacking on the Poly OT... Would you care to refute my claim with a reasonable argument against it?

Murder is the responsibility of the murderer.

	01-09-2005 17:37									#87
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Almost a thousand muslims just died and Winston cares more about people that are alive and well of another religion/race than people who have died and their families... Apparently Winston thinks expressing sorrow over the tragic and unnecessary deaths of muslims is an insincere act of mindless political correctness.

Yea, and your first few posts were an example to us all of respect for the dead.