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Ok, let review the rules.

In this case we're talking visual arts, not literary or performing. Lets include painting, drawing, etching, and other image creation. Also sculpture, including found materials. No performance art. No film or video, cause I say so.

US artists are ones who spent most of their careers in the USA. Euro ones are those who spent most of their careers in Europe, including all of the USSR, and excluding all of Turkey.

Borderline cases will be resolved by discussion. Artists who did major works between 1945 and 1965 inclusive will be included. However they will be given weight based on the number and quality of works produced in that period. So Picasso is judged ONLY on his post 1945 work, forex.



Ok. Jackson Pollack.

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art died in 1918

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Sanju Topher, US.

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This is one of the categories where the Americans will clearly win.

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Does latin America count for the US?

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Or say Burundi?

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Romare Bearden, pwns all.

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For europe - Jean Cocteau. Did alot of great work before 1945, but after 1945 as well.

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Andy Warhol for the US (just barely in the time frame).

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Oh, and for Europe, Picasso:

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Andy Warhol

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Georgia O'Keefe.

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What about photography?

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Vargas, Petty, Willis, Elvgren, Ekman and McGinnis for the U.S.

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chegitz, is that Catts quote for real?

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It is. I looked it up. He's got a couple other interesting quotes too.

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Next thread please US vs. Europe anything 500BC - 1800 AD

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Try "genocide"

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Successful implementation of liberal political thought - Danton and Robespierre against Adams, Franklin and Jefferson,

Easy win.

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America pwns j00!

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Successful implementation of liberal political thought - Danton and Robespierre against Adams, Franklin and Jefferson,

Easy win.


Aristotle.

You lose.

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colonist inferiority complex

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in another thread, way back, somebody said US cultural dominance post WW2 is all pop culture.

Thats simply not true. US high culture has been on the rise for two hundred plus years, and in the post WW2 era achieved global dominance (with the strong assistance of refugees from Europe, BTW)

There is however a strong tendency among some europeans to insist on a stereotype of Americans as uncultured barbarians. Which matches our stereotypes of Euros as effete snobs. Im sure both stereotypes serve various purposes in each society, but I prefer to confront them with reality.

As for my comment on Franklin, Adams etc that was of course simply a response to Bebro's troll.

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US culture in the first half of the twentieth century was world class. Things have dipped a bit since then, but they have dipped all over the world.

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PWNED.

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These competitions are childish at most. Pop culture is such a vague and artificial concept that its nothing to be worked out about.

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chegitz, is that Catts quote for real?


Damn straight. That Catts was a real character. My state is ****ing crazy.

Aggie, Aristotle was a putz.

 
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