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What is a reasonable gas price, for the crisis now in the US, with shortages?
This poll is closed.
$2.50/Gallon 5 31.25%
$3.00/Gallon 4 25.00%
$3.50/Gallon 1 6.25%
$4.00/Gallon 0 0%
$4.50/Gallon 0 0%
$5.00/Gallon 0 0%
$5.50/Gallon and above up to $7.00 as of earlier today Sept1. 6 37.50%
$1.27 banana prices back! 0 0%
Total: 16 voters 100%
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Thorn is offline Thorn
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What exactly is gas gouging? Nationwide prices are ranging from $3.00-$7.00/gallon? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

This is not a copy of a duplicate thread, but rather a poll to see what the you think should be the price of gas? In my city it goes as high as a little over $5.00 a gallon for places that still HAVE gas.

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Retail Gas Prices Jump, Deliveries Falter

By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer

"Out of Gas" signs and yellow caution tape were draped across pumps in parts of the United States early Thursday after many retailers were overrun by panicked motorists looking to top off their tanks as prices soared past $3 per gallon and reports of shortages spread.

Gas stations in and around downtown Atlanta had temporarily run out of gas. The same was reported elsewhere, including parts of North Carolina, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Arizona. Many retailers who did have gas had no clue when their next shipments would come in.

"People have kind of panicked and they're waiting in long lines because they're afraid the prices are going to go up," said Jan Vineyard, executive director of the West Virginia Oil Marketers And Grocers Association. "We're going to have some outages."

Price hikes were first evident at stations nationwide Wednesday as gasoline costs breached $3 a gallon for the first time in numerous states, the result of fuel pipeline shutdowns and delayed deliveries since Hurricane Katrina devastated Louisiana and Mississippi earlier this week.

"Everybody is panicking. They think there's not going to be any gas," said Keturah Jackson, a clerk at a gas station in Atlanta's upscale Buckhead district.

Gas prices jumped by more than 50 cents a gallon Wednesday in Ohio, 40 cents in Georgia and 30 cents in Maine. In southern Illinois, gas prices at some stations jumped more than 50 cents in less than four hours Thursday morning.

The increases followed price spikes on wholesale and futures markets Tuesday after the hurricane knocked off-line refineries and pipeline links along the Gulf Coast that provide about a third of the country's gasoline supplies.

Concerns are now mounting over limited supplies of gasoline, including the possible return of long lines and scarcity reminiscent of the 1970s gas crisis.

"It's crazy," said Mike Currie, shaking his head as he topped off his truck's tank with gas at a station in his hometown of Bismarck, N.D. "I'm going to have to consider buying a Moped."

In trading in Thursday, continuing fears about tight supplies caused by Katrina caused gasoline futures to jump more than 16 cents a gallon on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Analysts expected some relief once electricity is restored to Gulf Coast pipelines and refineries, but they are unsure how long that will take.

This week's increases come atop a 40 percent price rise in the last year that boosted the average retail price of unleaded regular to $2.61 a gallon nationwide last week, Energy Department figures show.

"We don't have a shortage of gasoline. We have a delivery problem," said Bill Weatherspoon, executive director of the North Carolina Petroleum Council, which represents major retailers that get gasoline from the pipelines.

The situation was worse in areas closer to the hurricane's path. In southwest Alabama, gas lines of 100 cars were commonplace early Thursday, extending out onto entrance ramps along Interstate 10. And most of the gas stations were closed, not for a lack of gas but for a lack of electricity to pump it. People were sitting in their cars for hours in anticipation of when power would be restored and the pumps working again.

Brian Scapecchi of Foley, Ala., saw the long lines at gas stations Wednesday and opted to return to a 24-hour station in the middle of the night in hopes the lines would be shorter. He guessed right, and was able to fill up at 12:40 a.m. Thursday.

"I'm sure it will be taken care of in a couple of weeks, but I'm not taking any trips," said Scapecchi, vowing to converse gas and avoid going anywhere over the Labor Day weekend.

Although police in Charlotte, N.C., reported prior to daybreak that only 30 of Mecklenbur County's 230 fueling stations were out of gas, that number appeared to grow considerably Thursday as drivers continued to crowd the open stations, fearing a shortage. On some busy streets, stations that did have gas were seeing lines that were causing traffic backups.

Charles Richardson, assistant manager of a gas station in Charlotte, said his was one of the few stations in the city that had received gas since Monday. "We ran out yesterday, but we got a drop this morning," he said.

The market did receive some help Wednesday when the federal government said it would loan oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to refiners facing shortfalls. And the Environmental Protection Agency said it would temporarily allow gasoline retailers nationwide to sell fuel that does not meet stringent summer air-quality standards.

Several gas stations in the Milwaukee area ran out of gas for several hours at the time. The outages were blamed more on logistical problems on the supply end than any increase in demand.

"Everybody is really trying hard. But it has been very, very difficult to get enough gasoline," said Jim Fiene, senior vice president of the Open Pantry convenience store-gasoline station chain in southeast Wisconsin.

The problems soon could extend far beyond motorists' wallets. Energy experts say they are concerned about how hurricane damage to Gulf Coast natural gas and heating oil facilities will affect heating bills this winter. Rising jet fuel costs because of the hurricane also have put additional pressure on cash-strapped airlines.

In Georgia and North Carolina, state officials asked residents to conserve gas and government workers were ordered to limit nonessential travel. A suburban Atlanta vanpooling program also reported a 50 percent jump in participants since Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday.

Atlanta's commuter rail system also saw increased traffic Thursday.

"I can tell you there are definitely a lot more people riding today. This lot is never nearly this full this early," said long-time rail commuter Tony Williams, referring to a packed parking lot at a train station east of Atlanta.

Herbie Howard, who owns four stations in Toledo, Ohio, and supplies gas to 17 others, spent hours on the phone hunting a decent price from his suppliers. He had to pay $3.18 a gallon — 9 cents more than he was selling it for.

"We aren't making any money," he said. "We're just minimizing our loses, but no one believes you. They think we're price gouging."

At one of the few stations open in Charlotte Wednesday night, Steve Clifford, 48, pumped fuel into his Isuzu sport utility vehicle.

"I heard it was going to go up to $4 a gallon tomorrow and there were going to be shortages, so when I got home from work I kissed my wife goodbye and said I was going out to find gas," he said.

___

Associated Press writers Michelle Saxton in Beckley, W.Va., Tim Whitmire in Charlotte, N.C., James MacPherson in Bismarck, N.D., David Sharp in Yarmouth, Maine, John Hartzell in Milwaukee, Gary D. Robertson in Raleigh, N.C., John Seewer in Toledo, Ohio, Jay Reeves in Foley, Ala., and Jeffrey Gold in Newark, N.J., contributed to this report.

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A dated gas thread $2.78/gallon (I wish it was still that price), besides this is a poll.

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A dated gas thread $2.78/gallon (I wish it was still that price), besides this is a poll.

Japher is offline Japher
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Jun 2002
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Put an end to popups!

we have to give my daughter drops after she eats so that she doesn't get too much gas

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I pay $4.72/gallon. You should pay that too.

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Meanwhile Iraqis because of subsidization by the U.S. Government pay like 5cents a gallon... WTF?!!

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Meanwhile Iraqis because of subsidization by the U.S. Government pay like 5cents a gallon... WTF?!!
well... Iraqi's don't exactly make as much money as Americans, Thorn...

and they don't have to import oil... it's already there

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I'm Jumping Jack Flash it's a gas gas gas! (Rolling Stones)

The price of gas it keeps on rising (Bloc Party)

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10$ a gallon seems appropriate

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10$ a gallon seems appropriate


@ Commies suffering from CCCP command economy nostalgia.

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@ Commies having CCCP command economy flahbacks.



you know what's funny...

many aspects of american economy are "command"...

it's just a question of who commands the prices...

quite frankly, I'd rather have an elected body of government officials controlling oil prices instead of a cartel of corrupt oil companies...

with some commodities, there's no such thing as a free market...

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Someone on the Yahoo message boards said that some prices have reached $11.00/gallon in disaster areas. Unconfirmed, but wouldn't surprise me much.

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Supply and Demand.

Supply took a nose dive (pipeline cut)

Demand went up (everybody went ape$hit)

What's the surprise?

-=Vel=-

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@ Commies suffering from CCCP command economy nostalgia.


So how much is petrol in Denmark in $/gal?

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What is a reasonable gas price, for the crisis now in the US, with shortages?


whatever supply\demand say it should cost

government enforced prices

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