02-09-2005 08:55									#1
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Status (from last turn)
Government currently in: Despotism
Current research: Iron Working; 133 beakers towards IW; 47 of 180 left to research; turn 24 of 31[?], estimated ToC turn 32 (2510BC).
Treasury: 2 gold
Cashflow: 0 gpt

Pre-Turn Actions
None

Military Orders
Military Units:

Enkidu Warriors
Enk#1 Dumuzi the Shepard - heal
Enk#2 Geshtinanna - move 1. We need to expose the West
Enk#3 Ziusudra - move 2
Enk#4 Kur - Fortified in Apolyton

Domestic Orders

Workers:
Mr. Rush Job - mining Apo WF #6 (3 worker turns to complete)
Million Dollar Worker - mining Apo WF #6 (2 worker turns to complete)

Settlers:
T-2

Cities:
Apolyton - Starting WF 4-5-10-11-17. Change WF to 4-5-6-11-17. - Correct. Gain 1 trade - ET & Krill


Builds:
Apolyton - building Settler (turn 2 of 3 scheduled).

Other Domestic
Slider - 30/40/30,

Diplomacy to be done
Reply to CBR underway.


Any other things to be done

Last edited by notyoueither on 06-09-2005 at 09:44

	02-09-2005 19:21									#2
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I'd say let Dumuzi heal on the mountain SE of him. So move 3 this turn.

	06-09-2005 09:48									#3
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Geshti (Enk in the N) is down 1 pip. The barb is gone.

The barbs in the S left Dumuzi alone (the one on hill is fortified. The other is moving towards CBR.

	06-09-2005 10:04									#4
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In light of the recent chat, shall we force the injured to walk towards CBR to find CDZ? I say yes.

	06-09-2005 10:15									#5
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Do you mean, without wait for healing?

	06-09-2005 10:22									#6
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Results:
Begin Turn:
None.

Actions:
Units:
E1 Dumuzi the Shepherd (2of3), fortify and heal
E2 Geshtinanna (2of3), fortify and heal
E3 Ziusudra. moves 2. Hut!
E4 Kur. Fortified in Apolyton


Worker Jobs:
W1 Mr. Rush Job, building mine (3 of 6[4])
W2 Million Dollar Worker, move to Poly WF6 and mine (2 of 3)

Economy:
Work Force:
Apolyton Size 5 - WF to 4-5-6-11-17. 8spt, +5fpt. Grows in 1

Builds:
Apolyton - Settler (2 of 4[3])

Slider:
Slider at 30/40/30 (tax/sci/lux)
Researching Iron Working, 133 of 180, 12t, +4 to 137
Treasury: 2g
CashFlow: +1gpt

Demographics:

code:
Approval        50%, 3 -1
Population  165,000, 1
GNP          11 mil, 3 +2
MnfGoods     8 mton, 2 -1
LandArea    2100m^2, 6 -1 another city
Literacy         0%, 1
Disease          0%, 1
Pollution    0 tons, 1
LifeExp    46 years, 1 +1
FamilySz    2 child, 1
MilService  8 years, 3 +1
AnnualIncome  1/cap, 2
Productivity     24, 4 +1

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%of world area    1.     Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 1  
%of world pop    17, -2  Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 10, -5
1 city culture   29, +2, Apolyton; Top rival, Laranja Verde 29, +2
Civ culture      29, +2, Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 29, +2

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Military vs:
Civ3 brazil, Average. nc

Images:



img src="/upload/view__file=11049_2800north.JPG.html". Not today.

	06-09-2005 10:29									#7
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I'd say CBR just birthed another settler.

	06-09-2005 10:47									#8
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I'm bushed. I'll have to do a turn 26 thread tomorrow.

	06-09-2005 12:09									#9
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another goody hut
let's hope we will get a tech this time, maybe writing?

	06-09-2005 17:18									#10
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Stat people, what would you say about this? There's another settler walking alone? And how they manage to scort all those settlers?

And about our chances with that hut?

Last edited by Aro on 06-09-2005 at 17:23

	06-09-2005 18:30									#11
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I'd say lets pop that hut and hope for a settler. Of course change our production before, so we do have the chance of getting a settler.

The only way to have the chance is to have no settler, neither in production nor in the field...

	06-09-2005 20:18									#12
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This turn assessment. Changes in Bold

Population 165000 - 1st. (still 1st).
Population Ranking as follow :

1st - Poly (Pop 5, +5 food, Granary completed in 2850BC),
2nd - CDZ (Pop 4, +5 food. 2nd city (built 3150BC) Pop 2, +4 food. Neighbour to CBR !)
3rd to 5th
CGN (Pop 3 to 4. 2nd city founded in 2950BC). Population growth of Capital Invictus had slowed a little, might have shared food with 2nd city.
PAL (Pop 3 to 4, produced a Settler in 2900BC ! Built Granary in 3100BC. Founded 2nd City this turn, 2800BC)
BAT (Pop 3, produced a Settler in 2900BC ! Built Granary in 3100BC . Founded 2nd City last turn, 2850BC)
6th - CBR (Pop 3 to 2, +4 food, Founded 2nd City in 3100BC. Produced Settler this turn. Likely to be escorted by 1 of their 5 Warriors )

With PAL building their 2nd city, we are now officially LAST in Land Area

Note : I sychronized with ormuzd. BAT built last turn, PAL built this turn. It could be either way.


City Size Analysis as follow :


GNP 11m = 3rd. (GNP +1, position from 5th to 3rd)
This turn. >12, 12, 11 (Poly), 11, 11, 10
Last turn. 12, 12, 11, 11, 10 (Poly), 8
We switch tiles to roaded river grassland this turn, hence trade +1. BAT who found the city this turn, improved their GNP.

Mfg Goods 8 megatons - 2nd (Mfg -1, position from 1st to 2nd)
This turn order. >10, 8 (Poly), 8, 8, 8, 6
Last turn order. 9 (Poly), 8, 8, 7, 6, 6

Productivity 24 = 4th. (Productivity Flat, position improved from 5th to 4th)
This turn order. >24, >24, >24, 24 (Poly), 24, 24
Last turn order. >24, >24, >24, >24, 24 (Poly), 18
BAT, founded a city. We overtook CBR, who produced a Settler this turn.

CBR Intelligence
1. CBR found Laranja Verde in 4000BC. From 4000BC to 3500BC, LV produced 3 Warriors and grew at +4 Food per turn.
2. From 3500BC to 3200BC, LV produced Settler. It's still at +4 Food per turn.
3. From 3250BC to 3000BC (Current), LV seem to have improved to +5 Food per turn !
4. CBR is now military average (F2) to us. Even if i fortified all our Warriors, we can't get back to strong vs them. They should have 5 warriors (2 veterans, 3 regulars).
5. CBR produced another Settler this turn, 2800BC.




Technology
No change. CBR has Alphabet, CB. We can sell them Bronze Working

Luxury
One team connected a luxury in 2850BC.

Last edited by rush on 06-09-2005 at 20:25

	06-09-2005 20:22									#13
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By the time we can pop the goody hut we will have built the settler.

	06-09-2005 20:24									#14
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Rush, I have a question.

Could it be that CBR have mined their cow, and have either a mined wheat or game, that is being used by the second city?

	06-09-2005 20:54									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Rush, I have a question. Could it be that CBR have mined their cow, and have either a mined wheat or game, that is being used by the second city?

Very possibly. If you compare Poly vs LV,

1. From turn 1 to 6, both Poly and LV grew at +4 Food. Both teams likely to start with a Cattle resource.
2. Poly chose to irrigate. From turn 7, it grew at +5 food, even at Pop 1. LV, on the other hand, grew at +4 food at Pop 2. Most probably, they mined.
3. They became +5 food from Turn 16 to 20, but went back to +4 Food from Turn 20 to now.
4. Their City 2 is at +3 food. It produced a Warrior last turn.

It's not abundantly clear to me why their food production can go up to +5 food from Turn 16 to 20 and then fall back to +4 Food later, while City 2 is only at +3 food. (Unless City 2 is not on a River, but nobody would do that with a Agricultural trait)



We will get their screenshot soon, so that would solve the mystery. Perhaps E_T can produce a simulation of CBR land too.

	07-09-2005 03:31									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Poly-Akryll I'd say lets pop that hut and hope for a settler. Of course change our production before, so we do have the chance of getting a settler. The only way to have the chance is to have no settler, neither in production nor in the field...

quote: Originally posted by Krill By the time we can pop the goody hut we will have built the settler.

let's hope we get the hut (possibel that some1 other ist there already too) and that we get than something usefull.

nice the barb is usefull gone - now the place is free for the next city.

sirleif

	07-09-2005 03:47									#17
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So, as soon we get those first screeshots from CBR we can use them to calibrate our "statistic machine".
In fact, our ultimate secret weapon!

Btw, I'm worried about that. We shouldn't give clues of how we get info. In fact, we shouldn't give any conection between F11 screen and our data.

	07-09-2005 05:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Aro And about our chances with that hut?

from CFC strategy article by Oystein, at emperor level, the odds are :

City - 5%
Tech - 10%
Gold - 5%
Map - 5%
Warrior - 5%
Settler - 5%
Barbs - 65%

Gold:
--The tile must not have any type of resource or luxury on it.

Maps:
--always available

Settler:
--Player must not have a settler (active or in production) or any unit with the Settle AI strategy.
--Player must have less cities than (TotalCities / NumActivePlayers).

Mercenaries (skilled warrior):
--There must be a unit available to the Barbarians as well as the player and that unit must be able to be built (or have been built) by some player in the game.

Tech:
--Player must still be in Ancient Times.

Barbarians:
--Player must not have Expansionist trait.
--There must not be a city within a 1-tile radius.
--The player must have at least 1 city.
--The player must have at least 1 military unit.
--The unit popping the hut must not have the "All Terrain As Roads" ability.