02-09-2005 19:31									#31
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If it hadn't been for us in 732, we'd all be speaking Arabic now!

	02-09-2005 19:33									#32
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If it hadn't been for Eugene of Savoy, you'd be speaking Turkish.

	02-09-2005 19:51									#33
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That bastard did a proper mess in the Balkans.

	02-09-2005 19:59									#34
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If the remnants of Homo Sapiens under Thorg the Great didn't stop the Neanderthals at the Battle of Roggotupo, we'd all be speaking, um, something.

	02-09-2005 20:25									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor If it hadn't been for us in 732, we'd all be speaking Arabic now!

no, a local victory, Byzantines were the shield of Europe.

quote: Originally posted by molly bloom If it hadn't been for Eugene of Savoy, you'd be speaking Turkish.

no. John III Sobieski

	02-09-2005 20:35									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger If the remnants of Homo Sapiens under Thorg the Great didn't stop the Neanderthals at the Battle of Roggotupo, we'd all be speaking, um, something.

Nederlands

	03-09-2005 17:20									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson no. John III Sobieski

Overrated. Eugene of Savoy did more, and for longer:

http://www.hfac.uh.edu/gbrown/philo...ugeneSavoy.html

quote: He fought bravely in the relief of Vienna and then in Hungary, where he helped in the capture of Belgrade (1688). By 1697, Eugene had been appointed imperial commander in Hungary, and at Zenta he annihilated the Turkish army. Faced with opposition in Vienna, he began to take a more active part in political affairs. He became (1700) a member of the emperor's privy council and (1703) president of the imperial war council. He was the principal imperial commander in the War of the Spanish Succession (1701–14; see Spanish Succession, War of the). In N Italy, Eugene was victorious over the French forces under Nicolas Catinat and the duke of Villeroi. In 1704 he joined the duke of Marlborough in Bavaria, and together they won the signal victory of Blenheim. Returning to Italy, Eugene fought (1705) an inconclusive battle at Cassano against his cousin, Louis Joseph de Vendôme. His invasion of Provence (1707) was a failure, owing to the inadequacy of his forces. In 1708, Eugene again cooperated with Marlborough in Flanders; the victories of Oudenarde (1708) and Malplaquet (1709) resulted. After the conclusion (1713) of the Peace of Utrecht (see Utrecht, Peace of) by England and France, Eugene continued to campaign on the Rhine against the French under Marshal Villars. Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI empowered him late in the year to negotiate with the war-weary French at Rastatt. The Peace of Rastatt (1714) complemented that of Utrecht. Eugene was made governor of the Austrian Netherlands (1715) and later imperial vicar in Italy. He again fought (1716–18) the Turks successfully, defeating them at Petrovaradin (1716) and at Belgrade (1717) and making possible the Austrian triumph marked by the Treaty of Passarowitz (1719). In the War of the Polish Succession, Eugene was made commander despite his advanced age. One of the greatest commanders in modern history, Prince Eugene was noted for his severe character and his hatred of Louis XIV as well as for his patronage of the arts.

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0817829.html


Eugene, equestrian:

	03-09-2005 17:32									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Aivo˝so Nederlands

	03-09-2005 17:44									#39
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Vienna is more important than all the other battles, and I guess You forget that it's not the only battle Sobieski fought as well

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Vienna is more important than all the other battles, and I guess You forget that it's not the only battle Sobieski fought as well

You make a habit of guessing incorrectly where I'm concerned.


Carry on though, it's amusing.

	03-09-2005 17:58									#41
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Again I say: Vienna is more important, it's saved the Golden Apple, changed the tide of Turkish-Christian wars and brought Kara Mustafa to an end.
Also, Sobieski won several other battles during his trip, like Parkany.
Also, earlier, he defeated Turks several times in Poland, under Chocim he saved Poland from Turkish domination.

	03-09-2005 17:59									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Again I say:blah blah

Of course you do, dear. Have a slice of polony and calm down.

	03-09-2005 18:01									#43
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Poor Heresson, the dumb people of Apolyton fail to see the superior importance of Poland for world history. Even today, Poland is the strongest and most influential country which alone claims a moral highground. Why can't the rest of the world see that?

	03-09-2005 18:06									#44
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The Americans stole Hollywood.


Hadn't we captured Grobin back in the Dark Ages, you'd all have been speaking Couronian today.

	03-09-2005 18:12									#45
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If it hadn't been for the Germans, Russians, and Austrians, the whole world would be speaking Polish today!

	03-09-2005 18:13									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy Poor Heresson, the dumb people of Apolyton fail to see the superior importance of Poland for world history. Even today, Poland is the strongest and most influential country which alone claims a moral highground. Why can't the rest of the world see that?

You have to realize, Ecthy, that Eugene of Savoy only beat the Turks and the French.

And he wasn't Polish. And he was gay.

How could he compare with someone who saved Poland from the Turks ?

	03-09-2005 18:14									#47
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If it hadn't been for the Germans, Russians, and Austrians, the whole world would be speaking Polish today!

I was just so close to say this.

molly, please, are you insinuating there's some kind of national bias in some posters' statements?

	03-09-2005 18:23									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy I was just so close to say this. molly, please, are you insinuating there's some kind of national bias in some posters' statements?

Yes!!!!

I'm a secret Savoyard homosexual militarist !!!

	03-09-2005 18:34									#49
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Funny enough, I wanted to reply to Heresson about Sobieski with the exactly same term as did molly.

Anyway, a famous song about Prince Eugen:

Dux Eugenius, eques purus,
Caesari recup(e)raturus
Urbem, arcem Belgradi
In Danuvio pontem fecit,
Per quem copias traiecit
Ante moenia oppidi.

Ponte facto sine claustro
Possunt *** tormento, plaustro
Transgredi Danuvium.
Ad Semunum tum vallantur,
Inde Turci ut pellantur,
Quis sic fit ludibrium.

Et coorta tempestate
In Augusto accurate
Sunt allata nuntia:
Turcos mondo pabulari,
Quantum posset vestigari,
Ter centena milia.

Quod Eugenius ut audivit,
Tum legatos arcessivit
Ilico *** ducibus.
Diligenter hos docere,
Ut deberent signa ferre
Et prodesset impetus.

In contione est mandatum:
Praestet quisque se paratum
Ipsa nocte media!
Cuncti equis tunc versentur,
Ut *** hoste proelientur,
Quorum vis sit propria!

Equis ilico vehuntur
Atque gladii stringuntur,
Exeunt tum taciti.
Strenuum se praebet pedes
Et virtute certat eques,
Cuncti rixae cupidi.

Libratores super vallum
Adiuvantes ludum malum
Iaciunt librilia:
Glandes parvas et immanis
Turcis mittunt ac paganis,
Ut spargantur in fuga.

Dux Eugenius tegit latus
Velut leo proeliatus,
Generalis maximus.
Ludovicus clamat late:
"O Germani, depugnate
Hostem quemque funditus!"

Ludovicus est privatus
Vita, nondum diu natus:
Plumbo ictus cecidit.
Dux Eugenius valde dolens
Atque illum valde colens
Cis Danuvium sepelit.

	03-09-2005 18:37									#50
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The dangerous censored word is "c u m" .

	03-09-2005 18:40									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III The dangerous censored word is "c u m" .

Danger, Wernazuma Robinson! Danger!

	03-09-2005 18:53									#52
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion If we hadn't stopped the Serbs you'd all be speaking Serbian today!

ROFL And it IS serbocroatian isn't it?

	03-09-2005 19:48									#53
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom You have to realize, Ecthy, that Eugene of Savoy only beat the Turks and the French. And he wasn't Polish. And he was gay. How could he compare with someone who saved Poland from the Turks ?

Who saved Poland and Austria from the Turks.
Also, Eugene's wars against France are irrelevant. It's the Turkish front that counts in this thread. It's not about who was a greater military leader, but who saved Europe from the Turks.
Also, if Eugene was gay or not, it's irrelevant as well.

quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Of course you do, dear. Have a slice of polony and calm down.

And You claim You're not arrogant?

	03-09-2005 19:53									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Bereta_Eder ROFL And it IS serbocroatian isn't it?

No

	03-09-2005 20:35									#55
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If it weren't for silicon valley, you'd all still be using proper english.

	03-09-2005 20:44									#56
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But if Eugene hadn't beaten the French at Blenheim, Malplaquet and Oudenard you'd all be speaking French today? Can't you see which is the greater of two evils?

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	03-09-2005 21:22									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove But if Eugene hadn't beaten the French at Blenheim, Malplaquet and Oudenard you'd all be speaking French today? Can't you see which is the greater of two evils?

I humbly admit my mistake

quote: Originally posted by Aivo˝so

I'm not one of them

	03-09-2005 21:28									#59
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If it weren't for Hollywood you all would be watching campy musicals in Hindi....

	03-09-2005 21:32									#60
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP If it weren't for Hollywood you all would be watching campy musicals in Hindi....

Nah, we'd watch artsy French movies with plenty of full frontal nudity.