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Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses'
Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin

Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 11:49 a.m. EDT (15:49 GMT)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin speaks Saturday, before Hurricane Katrina's devastation.

(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.

The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:

NAGIN: I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect. (Listen to the mayor express his frustration in this video -- 12:09)

You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. ... You pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up to their freaking necks.

And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.

WWL: Did you say to the president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.

And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.

They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people.

WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?

NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as we speak.

You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

WWL: Who'd you say that to?

NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it.

And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives.

And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there.

So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.

WWL: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering feat that just couldn't be done?

NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to manufacture. But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

WWL: If some of the public called and they're right, that there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?

NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

WWL: Did the governor do that, too?

NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.

Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.

WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

WWL: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.

WWL: What can we do here?

NAGIN: Keep talking about it.

WWL: We'll do that. What else can we do?

NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous.

I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.

Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.

WWL: I'll say it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president -- whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the people listening to you are on your side.

NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time.

WWL: We're both pretty speechless here.

NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say. I got to go.

WWL: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.

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meanwhile...

YahooNews had a headline, "Bush says Katrina response 'unacceptable'"

geee... I forget, who is in charge of things again?

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Nearly 60 San Diego area physicians, nurses, firefighters, paramedics, water-rescue experts and mental-health specialists had reached hurricane-battered regions in the Gulf Coast or were heading there yesterday.

Those who had arrived at their destinations said Katrina's damage was so awesome and widespread that it was hard to know where to begin disaster-relief work.

"Oh my God, we're working on that," said Dr. Irving "Jake" Jacoby, UCSD Disaster Control Officer and leader of a 30-member team assigned to Baton Rouge, La. The group from hospitals in San Diego County was temporarily assigned to an assembly area near the football stadium at Louisiana State University while officials sorted out priorities, Jacoby said.

"It's an ongoing disaster," he said. "We're preparing to take care of patients who will be evacuated" from area hospitals that have been flooded. Jacoby said his team will probably be asked to set up special medical shelters for those patients.

The San Diego group is working with several other Disaster Medical Assistance Teams from across the country. The teams are trained and ready to go to any area hit by disasters such as earthquakes, tornadoes, plane crashes and explosions.

Meanwhile, members of San Diego's Swiftwater Rescue and Search and Rescue teams were waiting yesterday at March Air Reserve Base for federal transport planes to take them to Shreveport, Baton Rouge and Lafayette, La. San Diego city spokesman Maurice Luque said the teams were summoned by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the state Office of Emergency Services.

The group will likely use Coast Guard vehicles to travel into hard-to-reach areas. Their tasks might include distribution of food and other supplies.

Also joining the disaster-relief efforts are nine volunteers from the San Diego chapter of the American Red Cross. They are helping to coordinate operations from Washington, D.C., working on communications systems in Little Rock, Ark., and handling a variety of tasks in Florida, which Katrina crossed last week.

For now, agency officials said the biggest need is to restore basics such as food, drinking water and shelter.

"At this point, we're just talking about keeping people safe from power outages and flooding," said Red Cross spokeswoman Gayle Falkenthal.

Donating money is the best way for most people to help out, she said. In San Diego County, KGTV Channel 10 will host a telethon between 5 and 7 p.m. today for the Red Cross' national Katrina disaster relief fund, Falkenthal said.

Wanda Vevia Bailey, executive director of the nonprofit Volunteer San Diego, discouraged San Diegans from traveling to hurricane-ravaged areas.

"People need to wait until the first responders get the areas cleared. Thousands of people can't really help in the first days," she said.

Bailey also discouraged people from trying to send clothing or food.

"Donations of goods, although it's very kind of people to want to do, are difficult to manage because at the other end, they may not have the staffing or warehousing to sort and store them. It can be overwhelming," she said.

Until needs are sorted out, the two blood banks serving San Diego County said they were not issuing appeals for extra blood donations.



Apparently ppl like Wanda Vevia Bailey are running things

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I think this quote makes sense of a lot of what's going on. We have tens of thousands of drug addicts without a supply...

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Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.

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it's all drug addicts


scary thing is, DanS probably believes garbage like this

*not to say there aren't situations like this... but I seriously doubt the vast majority of violence is because of this

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Very true and obviously what was in NO couldn't deal with that sort of threat. The NG should have been there much earlier to prevent that sort of thing.

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How much earlier? The levee was known to have broken on Tuesday. Before that, New Orleans was thought to have been spared the worst of the storm. I know that time is of the essence, but the whole Gulf Coast was sucker punched.

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I don't admit to know a whole lot about the man, but judging from the past handful of days, New Orleans should be damn proud of its mayor.

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How much earlier? The levee was known to have broken on Tuesday. Before that, New Orleans was thought to have been spared the worst of the storm. I know that time is of the essence, but the whole Gulf Coast was sucker punched.


Even if it was a total surprise (it wasn't), it takes FIVE days to get the National Guard into the city? I mean, come on!

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By my count that's almost 4 days, not 5 days. Just think of the logistics involved.

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Ninot: He's trying, lord knows he's trying.

Time will tell if he's as effective as Giuliani--Giuliani, by all reports, hasn't offended anybody with emotional comments, as some reports have suggested Nagin has; then again, Giuliani wasn't dealing with the destruction of an entire city.

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By my count that's almost 4 days, not 5 days. Just think of the logistics involved.
I wonder if DanS would be making excuses for a Democratic President

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By my count that's almost 4 days, not 5 days. Just think of the logistics involved.


Just think of all the people in the city without food or water. They could have done it far faster. Hell, the head of FEMA had no clue that people were in the Convention Center until YESTERDAY! These people were clueless, Dan! And they totally ****ed up.

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That storm began on Clinton's watch!

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I thought we were talking about the National Guard/military, not FEMA?

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That storm began on Clinton's watch!

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I thought we were talking about the National Guard/military, not FEMA?
don't play dumb

we're talking about ALL RECOVERY EFFORTS

you can't weasel your way out of things by just saying, "oh I was just talking about NG/military"

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I thought we were talking about the National Guard/military, not FEMA?


We are talking about the feds and the state (the ones capable of providing relief). They should have been there before this. The FEMA's chairman shows the disconnect. It almost makes you ask how come no one cares about New Orleans?

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For all we knew on Monday, New Orleans was fine. That is, until the levee broke. I'm not suggesting that we give our politicians a pass, but be more realistic about what can be organized and in what timeframe.

Are we going to start blaming our politicians for sending strong category 4 storms into major cities now?

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For all we knew on Monday, New Orleans was fine. That is, until the levee broke. I'm not suggesting that we give our politicians a pass, but be more realistic about what can be organized and in what timeframe.




Please, we were helping people from the tsunami in 4 days of the disaster. You are telling me that it takes just as long to help out one of our OWN cities as it does to go halfway around the world to help?

If we were prepared, and we should have been, we could have had national guard and FEMA in there on Wednesday.

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Apparently ppl like Wanda Vevia Bailey are running things


As far as I've seen it really is just ordinary people who decide to go do something. For better and for worse the federal goverment has this massive beauracy on it's back that ordinary people don't give a crap about. They just go and do it. There have been many people from Arkansas that have made numerous trips down already, bringing in water and other essential items. They are using their own money and donations to do it. IT's sad that is how it has to be

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How much earlier? The levee was known to have broken on Tuesday. Before that, New Orleans was thought to have been spared the worst of the storm. I know that time is of the essence, but the whole Gulf Coast was sucker punched.


They knew about the possibility of the city being destroyed on Saturday. Even if it was a 1% chance of a MAJOR US CITY BEING DESTROYED they should have been making preperations and get things ready to move in as soon as the storm had passed. A ship carrying many food, water and supplis left port yesterday. It's expected to reach New Orleans on the 8th. What, are they going to feed corpses?!

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Even if it was a total surprise (it wasn't), it takes FIVE days to get the National Guard into the city? I mean, come on!


No, it took five days to get the NG to the center of teh city. You know, that part you have to travel through miles of devastated cityscape to reach.

Incidently, Army helicopters were on hand as teh Super Dome the day off the hurricane...

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They knew about the possibility of the city being destroyed on Saturday. Even if it was a 1% chance of a MAJOR US CITY BEING DESTROYED they should have been making preperations and get things ready to move in as soon as the storm had passed. A ship carrying many food, water and supplis left port yesterday. It's expected to reach New Orleans on the 8th. What, are they going to feed corpses?!


What, a ship like, GASP, the USS Baatan?

Incidently, Tampa, Pensacola, Panama City, Jackson, Mongomery, Tallahase and many others were well within 1% of being destroyes, some more like 50-50. I figure with 100 NG and Active divisions we could have been 10% prepared to protect them all.

How they ground troops would have stopped wind and rain and storm surges I am not sure. How having them drown in the same disaster helps I don't know. But apparently you do.

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As far as I've seen it really is just ordinary people who decide to go do something. For better and for worse the federal goverment has this massive beauracy on it's back that ordinary people don't give a crap about. They just go and do it. There have been many people from Arkansas that have made numerous trips down already, bringing in water and other essential items. They are using their own money and donations to do it. IT's sad that is how it has to be


Yeah . But thank God that private individuals were willing to try to help when the federal and state governments were powerless and helpless. It's a very sad site when you saw pictures of people yelling for someone, anyone to help them, to give them food or water and they didn't get relief from outside until now .

I mean Hell, the mayor had to lash out, the Governor issued a 'desperate SOS'. It shouldn't have had to come to that!

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Yeah . But thank God that private individuals were willing to try to help when the federal and state governments were powerless and helpless. It's a very sad site when you saw pictures of people yelling for someone, anyone to help them, to give them food or water and they didn't get relief from outside until now .

I mean Hell, the mayor had to lash out, the Governor issued a 'desperate SOS'. It shouldn't have had to come to that!


Bush should have beamed in minutes after the event and handed the person a burger, who had only gone without food for one day but is somehow a Somolia level refugee.

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Patroklos, what did we say about impossible expectations? No wonder you're disappointed about Bush having failed to beam into NOLA--we don't have transporter technology yet.

 
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